Do you want to discuss boring politics? (25 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

Oh I understand it perfectly I just think it's bollocks

And that's fair enough that's what you think.

 

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[SomersetSB]

Listen I'm the thick one , but I work with the very people Labour have lost , in what you would call "the dead end jobs " people talk about politics and il tell you for the final time .... people really do not like Labour, some people that always voted Labour genuinely hate them .


Something has got to change otherwise they are never getting back in power

This

 

[skybluetony176]

I’m not surprised.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It is kind of ironic that well educated university middle class types on this forum can't see why people don't like Labour anymore .

Ironic indeed

What do they think Labour is about if not a party with a large suit of social democrat policies? What period did they support labour in?


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[wingy]

Yes we've had general consensus on

People don't really care about policies or manifesto commitments
Labour don't 'seem like they like' working people, the Tories do
The way a politician comes across matters more than their record or ideology

So it just boils down to a personality contest so the party offering policies people want is getting trounced by one that takes police off the streets, gives tax breaks and contracts to its mates and that let 130,000 people die in the pandemic. Oh, and that is letting people go bankrupt over flammable cladding that should never have been permitted in the first place.

I'm happy to get called angry for being angry that things like this are happening and people seem to be rejoicing at it because of culture war bullshit

Hey don't you dare forget the abortion that was Windrush.

I guess they were a bit luckier today that they managed to put that tower block fire out in orderly time and fashion.

It will be something unconsidered that comes along and should do for them. But it won't.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Just answer the question and we'll be done. It's that simple.

Once again you've resorted to 'but Labour'.

Let's try one last time.

Without mentioning the word Labour, what is so appealing about the Tories?

Mate, this is simply mental. Just leave it, and say that we agree to disagree (we say it has been answered, you say it hasn't).

 

[clint van damme]

Khalid knows , Labour needs more khalids

I agree with what he says apart from one paragraph, I can't understand why people think the tories are more likely to deliver this than Labour:

' They want an NHS that works and doesn’t leave them waiting months for an operation or weeks for an appointment with their GP. They want investment in infrastructure, and in basic transport such as cleaner and greener buses '

it's madness to think the NHS is safer in tory hands.

 

[clint van damme]

Hey don't you dare forget the abortion that was Windrush.

I guess they were a bit luckier today that they managed to put that tower block fire out in orderly time and fashion.

It will be something unconsidered that comes along and should do for them. But it won't.

stop being woke

 

[Evo1883]

I agree with what he says apart from one paragraph, I can't understand why people think the tories are more likely to deliver this than Labour:

' They want an NHS that works and doesn’t leave them waiting months for an operation or weeks for an appointment with their GP. They want investment in infrastructure, and in basic transport such as cleaner and greener buses '

it's madness to think the NHS is safer in tory hands.

I agree , although il be honest ..I phone in the morning and get an appointment that day at our doctors

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I agree with what he says apart from one paragraph, I can't understand why people think the tories are more likely to deliver this than Labour:

' They want an NHS that works and doesn’t leave them waiting months for an operation or weeks for an appointment with their GP. They want investment in infrastructure, and in basic transport such as cleaner and greener buses '

it's madness to think the NHS is safer in tory hands.

Tories ran it into the ground in the early eighties, then put some money into in the 90s. Blair let it slide or stagnate over his first term and into his second, the latest Tories have put in a shit load over their first two terms but started to let it slide before covid. So it's simply not that simple.

 

[wingy]

Health delivery has changed beyond recognition from seventies eighties onwards.
Local oversight done by regional /watchdog committee /quango went.
Mamagement tiers increased.
over powerful ceo's riding roughshod over whistle blowers, covering tracks/hushing poor outcomes from surgery by inadequate surgeons, midwifery scandals covered up. Mental health. etc.

 

[David O'Day]

Strangely I thought it would be worse than this.

Anyway in Cov South Corbyn was mentioned far more on the doorstep than KS.

Don't believe every "leak"

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Health delivery has changed beyond recognition from seventies eighties onwards.
Local oversight done by regional /watchdog committee /quango went.
Mamagement tiers increased.
over powerful ceo's riding roughshod over whistle blowers, covering tracks/hushing poor outcomes from surgery by inadequate surgeons, midwifery scandals covered up etc.

Way off tangent but a group of us submitted a 50 page whistleblowing document to my department this week, over the ineptitude and/or corruption of the Director, with the outcome of many millions of public monies wasted. I totally expect it to be swept under the carpet as well.

 

[David O'Day]

Tories only up 1 in cov has actually shocked me, I thought we'd loose a lot of seats in The South and North West given the marginal wins we had in 2019 but it looks like we are actually stronger in Cov than we were in 2019.


Keeping the doncaster mayor is a shocker, thought that as a goner

 

[Skybluefaz]

Cool. Nothing to see here.

 

[Evo1883]

What do people think of Andy Burnham?
Would you rather somebody like Andy be Labour leader ?

 

[clint van damme]

I agree , although il be honest ..I phone in the morning and get an appointment that day at our doctors

Hes only going to pre

What do people think of Andy Burnham?
Would you rather somebody like Andy be Labour leader ?

He would have been my choice to succeed Corbyn. I honestly believe he's the closest there is to a unifying figure in the party .

 

[Evo1883]

Hes only going to pre


He would have been my choice to succeed Corbyn. I honestly believe he's the closest there is to a unifying figure in the party .

I agree

For starters , he'd have a big influence on the North of England

 

[Ian1779]

What do people think of Andy Burnham?
Would you rather somebody like Andy be Labour leader ?

I’d go for it to be honest, but would forcing Starmer out right now be useful? Unless he goes completely entrenched of course.

 

[Evo1883]

I’d go for it to be honest.

He also has quite alot of respect from many working class people for his role in the Hillsborough inquiry etc .

I actually think he could bring the left and centre together

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Always been Andy Burnham for me, but I suspect he's comfortable and in his element in his current role.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And that's fair enough that's what you think.

Exactly, it's not personal and if it's really how the majority of voters think and are happy with that's fine, I'll move somewhere less bonkers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hey don't you dare forget the abortion that was Windrush.

I guess they were a bit luckier today that they managed to put that tower block fire out in orderly time and fashion.

It will be something unconsidered that comes along and should do for them. But it won't.

I would like to know what people find so personable and endearing about:

Gove
Hancock
Williamson
Raab
Jenrick
Patel
Schapps

Besides Johnson these are the people you see on TV the most, conducting conferences and so on. They all come across as either incoherent or clearly rehearsed and most on here even among Tories find them pretty odious. So what turns people on about them?

 

[Evo1883]

I’d go for it to be honest, but would forcing Starmer out right now be useful? Unless he goes completely entrenched of course.

He's a dead man walking ...
It may appear he's even less liked than Jeremy to many

 

[stupot07]

And what does it say? That the pay rise doesn’t matter as it’s not Labour so it’s ok?? Ffs

I must say I didnt read the thread, and could only see the 2019 tweet.

I take it back, every I know who works in the NHS hate Matt Hancock and the tories, and feel let down by the government. God knows who they polled.

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[Deleted member 4439]

I would like to know what people find so personable and endearing about:

Gove
Hancock
Williamson
Raab
Jenrick
Patel
Schapps

Besides Johnson these are the people you see on TV the most, conducting conferences and so on. They all come across as either incoherent or clearly rehearsed and most on here even among Tories find them pretty odious. So what turns people on about them?

They're not Labour.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They're not Labour.

But the whole argument is 'they seem to like the working classes more', to a man or woman they're all odious. It's just utter bollocks it really is

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Out of interest when you all didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn did you vote Conservative? If so what was it that attracted your vote? And now that Corbyn is gone has your vote returned to Labour?

Absolutely agree people can do what they want. However the question has been repeatedly asked in recent weeks what it is about the Conservatives that makes people vote for them and so far the answers have been lots of reasons to not vote Labour and nothing about why the Conservatives appeal.

I've no problem with this but what's baffling is many of those reasons given for not voting Labour apply just as much, if not more so, to the Tories.

 

[skybluetony176]

I like Burnham but he’s just not PM material. He’s never been sacked for lying, he has principles, he knows how many kids he has, he doesn’t have a history of cheating on his wife(s), he has cheap taste in wallpaper, he pays for his own wallpaper, he’s never offered to arrange to have someone beaten up, he’s never stuck his dick in a dead pig, he’s never stuck his dick in a Daily Mail reporter, he’s never rugby tackled a young child, he can tuck his shirt in, he doesn’t over and misuse Latin etc etc Basically he’s got nothing going for him whatsoever, there’s nothing the public can admire about him

 

[David O'Day]

I must say I didnt read the thread, and could only see the 2019 tweet.

I take it back, every I know who works in the NHS hate Matt Hancock and the tories, and feel let down by the government. God knows who they polled.

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Same here, i'd like to see the data behind that poll as it doesn't seem to fit any reality.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Another thing wrong with Labour voters these days, they think people owe them an explanation of why they voted a certain way. No one owes you anything.

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But how do you fix the problem if you don't ask what it is?

Like the missus getting the hump with you and when you ask her what's wrong her saying "you should know what's wrong and the only reason you don't is cos you never bother to ask about me" I'm literally there right now asking and you're not telling me.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I've no problem with this but what's baffling is many of those reasons given for not voting Labour apply just as much, if not more so, to the Tories.

It's funny how some here are blind to what is being said, as much as to the reasons why people don't vote Labour as why people vote Tory. If you look through what been written on this thread today, some very straightforward but potent reasons were given why people don't vote Labour and which most certainly do not apply to the Tories.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I'm not sure what woke even is but I dont use derogatory racist or misogynistic terms and have no desire to.
Am I woke?

Woke mean 'alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Really depressing how it is now being used as a term of abuse.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well. I’ve just voted green in the local election and for the police commissioner or whatever title they give them sounds like a wank position and a job everyone forgets about the moment that the voting slip in the box so I drew a spunking cock on it instead of voting so you’re not even remotely close.

Dunno how to break it to you but the Tory guy going for it was called Cockenballs.

 

[skybluetony176]

Dunno how to break it to you but the Tory guy going for it was called Cockenballs.

Dammit.