I agree with that but Boris levels of lying? He’d have to have been thoroughly dishonest in all aspects of his life before being a politician to reach those levels and there’s no evidence of that.
He’s a politician and they all have an uncomfortable relationship with being dishonest. Corbyn pretended he was a remainer when suited and pretended he was dealing with antisemitism for instance but he was no where near Boris levels of lying and neither is Starmer. He could well prove to be in time but at this moment in time he’s not even in the ballpark compared to Boris.
He reminds me so much of Johnson even though they have totally different personalities.
He will do or say whatever it takes to keep the media on side and to be seen in a favourable light.
Now I know that's politics to an extent, but for me, the dishonesty goes much deeper with these pair.
He’s not lying at the dispatch box though. Changing policy and breaking promises sure, he’s done that. But Boris stood up at PMQ’s week after week telling bare faced lies on everything from his personal behaviour to building new hospitals to the vaccine rollout. Fair enough Starmer isn’t yet in that position but I can’t ever see him reaching Boris levels. No doubt he will on occasions should he be PM but Boris made it a full time occupation, that was literally all he did.He reminds me so much of Johnson even though they have totally different personalities.
He will do or say whatever it takes to keep the media on side and to be seen in a favourable light.
Now I know that's politics to an extent, but for me, the dishonesty goes much deeper with these pair.
He's thoroughly dishonest, I'm talking Johnson levels of dishonesty.
And he'll prove to be just as corrupt.
Bookmark mark this for 3 or 4 years into his first term and I'll happily admit to talking bollocks if I'm wrong.
Google it, there's loads.
As you say that is policitics, particularly for party leaders.
But Johnson will break the law and stand up in Parliament and lie about it. That's a whole other level from any of Starmer's untruths.
I’m not really a fan of Starmer but he’s no way comparable to De Pfeffel.
Source: trust me bro
I reckon I could vote for someone running on this platform. Know anyone?For me a big point is not to give the gutter press ammunition.
For too many years we have been giving an endless supply of opportunities to attack. These days it is all about pulling the Tories apart. Just keep it as it is and come out with a decent way of taking the UK forward. We need a manifesto which puts more money in the pockets of those who need it. Get rid of the so called management and replace them with doctors, nurses, teachers and so on. Pay for our own power generating facilities instead of letting foreign investment rip us off. This would then give more money to correct what is wrong. Have a major home building program instead of paying billions each year to private landlords. Stop the right to buy. Take control of the rail companies as each contract comes to an end. There is a very long list of what the British public would vote for.
Do you even know what insult you’re trying to make here?
Few too many sherries tonight I fear G.
I reckon I could vote for someone running on this platform. Know anyone?
They could try that - but it would be a much easier attack line to say ‘You lied your way to the Labour leadership, who’s to say you wouldn’t do it again if PM’There’s a very real danger of false equivalency driven by the right wing press. Look at beergate. The effort that went into making out Starmer having a beer at a meeting in a stage whatever it was in the end lockdown was the same as Boris having numerous parties in full lockdown. I still hear people based on that say Starmer broke the law the same as Boris. Aside from the fact that Starmer didn’t break the law and Boris did on numerous occasions.
There’s a very real danger of false equivalency driven by the right wing press. Look at beergate. The effort that went into making out Starmer having a beer at a meeting in a stage whatever it was in the end lockdown was the same as Boris having numerous parties in full lockdown. I still hear people based on that say Starmer broke the law the same as Boris. Aside from the fact that Starmer didn’t break the law and Boris did on numerous occasions.
There is something to that, I’ll certainly acknowledge that. I still can’t see him ever lying on the scale of Boris though or anywhere near. Boris does it in every aspect of his life, everyone “exaggerates” at a job interview.They could try that - but it would be a much easier attack line to say ‘You lied your way to the Labour leadership, who’s to say you wouldn’t do it again if PM’
You dont think Johnson is dishonest?
You've surprised me.
The problem is that you spend your time majoring on Tory lies and broken promises you need to not have too many skeletons in your own closet.There’s a very real danger of false equivalency driven by the right wing press. Look at beergate. The effort that went into making out Starmer having a beer at a meeting in a stage whatever it was in the end lockdown was the same as Boris having numerous parties in full lockdown. I still hear people based on that say Starmer broke the law the same as Boris. Aside from the fact that Starmer didn’t break the law and Boris did on numerous occasions.
Mate you are normally a sensible poster but this is a bit unhinged.He reminds me so much of Johnson even though they have totally different personalities.
He will do or say whatever it takes to keep the media on side and to be seen in a favourable light.
Now I know that's politics to an extent, but for me, the dishonesty goes much deeper with these pair.
Mate you are normally a sensible poster but this is a bit unhinged.
Probably a fair comment but that's been the case for successive PMs/leaders of the opposition for quite a while now - apart from Corbyn but even then he adjusted his views to cling on to power.He’s more comparable to Cameron in that he wants the top job but has zero vision or a belief. He’s someone who gets a script and reads it
Once he gets the job he won’t like the scrutiny and has paper thin skin
Like Johnson he will say whatever he needs to say to get to power
Seriously, Johnson levels of dishonesty?You might not agree but it's hardly unhinged.
You do realise that some of the things I'm calling him out for he admits to reneging on so he agrees with me.
Only he doesn't describe it as lying, I think change of circumstances is one of his favourite excuses.
I only look at this thread occasionally but you've ruffled some feathers this morning. Love to see it.You might not agree but it's hardly unhinged.
You do realise that some of the things I'm calling him out for he admits to reneging on so he agrees with me.
Only he doesn't describe it as lying, I think change of circumstances is one of his favourite excuses.
Seriously, Johnson levels of dishonesty?
You might not agree but it's hardly unhinged.
You do realise that some of the things I'm calling him out for he admits to reneging on so he agrees with me.
Only he doesn't describe it as lying, I think change of circumstances is one of his favourite excuses.
I only look at this thread occasionally but you've ruffled some feathers this morning. Love to see it.
Also getting all defensive over a politician is weird, the Starmer lads are starting to sound a bit like the Corbyn cultists, ironically.
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You think changing a policy platform openly is comparable to what Johnson has done? Really?
I am no fan of Starmer. I am just challenging the view that he is as dishonest as Johnson and have seen no evidence at all yet.I only look at this thread occasionally but you've ruffled some feathers this morning. Love to see it.
Also getting all defensive over a politician is weird, the Starmer lads are starting to sound a bit like the Corbyn cultists, ironically.
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I'm not debating Starmer, I couldn't give a monkeys, he'll probably win and you're right he also reminds me of Cameron. Suits me.The 'first to mention corbyn when debating starmer' stakes were won by outsider TomRad 85 after a disappointing showing from odds on favourite Shmmeee
I think Clint is suggesting the higher they get the more dishonest they get. Judge him when he's in the big boy job I suppose.I am no fan of Starmer. I am just challenging the view that he is as dishonest as Johnson and have seen no evidence at all yet.
This, 'they're all as bad as each other' narrative is dangerous. It's simply not true. May and Cameron were terrible but nothing compared to what has followed them.I think Clint is suggesting the higher they get the more dishonest they get. Judge him when he's in the big boy job I suppose.
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I'm not debating Starmer, I couldn't give a monkeys, he'll probably win and you're right he also reminds me of Cameron. Suits me.
Edit. I think Grendel compared him to Cameron rather than you. Still accurate though.
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I think Clint is suggesting the higher they get the more dishonest they get.
I didn't mind Cameron too much but if a Labour leader ultimately ended up being just like Cameron, well that's pretty dishonest from a left wing view point.This, 'they're all as bad as each other' narrative is dangerous. It's simply not true. May and Cameron were terrible but nothing compared to what has followed them.
Yeah and that's a fair comment.
Doesn't mean they all lie like Johnson does when they get to the top though. He's a whole other level.
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