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[clint van damme]

He’s not - he’s saying his history of lies is similar to that of Johnson to achieve power

He’s not even referring i don’t think to his interesting behaviour when in charge of the CPS

Correct.

 

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[Grendel]

Correct.

He obviously came to prominence when he decided to use Gary McKinnon to toady with the US State Offices by throwing him under a bus despite overwhelming evidence he was likely to commit suicide.

When May then decided to tell him he’s been overruled he got straight on a plane the next day to beg them that it won’t damage their future relationship

 

[TomRad85]

The 'first to mention corbyn when debating starmer' stakes were won by outsider TomRad 85 after a disappointing showing from odds on favourite Shmmeee

Oh and you can just call me Tom now. I think we're there.

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[Grendel]

I think the one interesting thing about the so called right wing press is they haven’t really done very much on Starmer when they could easily do so

The disappearing pledges
The claim to stand by them on the picket line
Standing with workers campaigning for a minimum wage of £15 per hour
Promising to retain the 2017 manifesto as the cornerstone of future politics for labour governments
This is without the accusations levelled at him when at the CPS

I wonder why that might be

 

[PVA]

I think the one interesting thing about the so called right wing press is they haven’t really done very much on Starmer when they could easily do so

The disappearing pledges
The claim to stand by them on the picket line
Standing with workers campaigning for a minimum wage of £15 per hour
Promising to retain the 2017 manifesto as the cornerstone of future politics for labour governments
This is without the accusations levelled at him when at the CPS

I wonder why that might be

Ah yes the press take it so easy on Labour and are just so bloody unfairly hard on the squeaky clean tories

They tried their best to go after Starmer and the best they could come up with is that he had a curry

'I wonder why that might be'

 

[Grendel]

Ah yes the press take it so easy on Labour and are just so bloody unfairly hard on the squeaky clean tories

They tried their best to go after Starmer and the best they could come up with is that he had a curry

'I wonder why that might be'

That’s exactly the point I’m making

Lol you can’t make that up

 

[clint van damme]

Oh and you can just call me Tom now. I think we're there.

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Thanks, but I like to keep it formal.

 

[Ian1779]

I think the one interesting thing about the so called right wing press is they haven’t really done very much on Starmer when they could easily do so

The disappearing pledges
The claim to stand by them on the picket line
Standing with workers campaigning for a minimum wage of £15 per hour
Promising to retain the 2017 manifesto as the cornerstone of future politics for labour governments
This is without the accusations levelled at him when at the CPS

I wonder why that might be

They are obviously confident he’s not going to rock the establishment boat.

 

[Grendel]

They are obviously confident he’s not going to rock the establishment boat.

Well that’s for certain. Rachel reeves is definitely colour blind. The poor girl thinks the Rosette she wears is blue. Shouldn’t someone tell her?

 

[Sick Boy]

The UK is naturally a conservative (with a small c) country, IMO…so to get elected it’s the kind of leader Labour have to have.

 

[Evo1883]

The UK is naturally a conservative (with a small c) country, IMO…so to get elected it’s the kind of leader Labour have to have.

*England

 

[Sick Boy]

*England

Yes you’re right but England ends up dictating for the others.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I only look at this thread occasionally but you've ruffled some feathers this morning. Love to see it.
Also getting all defensive over a politician is weird, the Starmer lads are starting to sound a bit like the Corbyn cultists, ironically.

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tbf it's the comparison. I'd even find that slightly mental if directed at Truss!

 

[Astute]

The UK is naturally a conservative (with a small c) country, IMO…so to get elected it’s the kind of leader Labour have to have.

Spot on.

But as we can see from this thread the Labour leaders who hardly have a chance of getting voted in are championed and their faults ignored whereas someone who has a serious chance of winning an election has many having a go at them.

 

[clint van damme]

tbf it's the comparison. I'd even find that slightly mental if directed at Truss!

An accusation of dishonesty aimed at Truss would be very misguided.
She had such unwavering belief in her policies she held nothing back, one economic melt down later and she's still banging the same drum and playing the poor me card.

 

[Ian1779]

Spot on.

But as we can see from this thread the Labour leaders who hardly have a chance of getting voted in are championed and their faults ignored whereas someone who has a serious chance of winning an election has many having a go at them.

Or maybe asking the question of what they are going to do with the opportunity?
Do something transformative for the country or just be a glorified Cameron spiv?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

L

I think Clint is suggesting the higher they get the more dishonest they get. Judge him when he's in the big boy job I suppose.

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Like the director of public prosecution?
wow

 

[Astute]

Or maybe asking the question of what they are going to do with the opportunity?
Do something transformative for the country or just be a glorified Cameron spiv?

Did you or anyone else questioning the integrity of Starmer ask that of Corbyn?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He’s not - he’s saying his history of lies is similar to that of Johnson to achieve power

He’s not even referring i don’t think to his interesting behaviour when in charge of the CPS

History of lies wow

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Or maybe asking the question of what they are going to do with the opportunity?
Do something transformative for the country or just be a glorified Cameron spiv?

tbf, the first term isn't necessarily the one to be making massive changes... just stop the rot. Even Thatcher was relatively docile in her first term (kept state aid there for BL for a start!) - it was really her second term that she took as a mandate to go radical.

And that's the missed opportunity with Blair - not the first term, which was a massive imrpovement of what had gone before in terms of outlook and attitude, and general funding ideals... but the second term, where he didn't take the opportunity to reverse some of the worst righty legislation and introduce a social democratic framework more deeply into society.

 

[Grendel]

The UK is naturally a conservative (with a small c) country, IMO…so to get elected it’s the kind of leader Labour have to have.

At this election it’s likely labour would be elected anyway so I guess having a bland Tory lite spiv is a tad annoying

 

[Grendel]

History of lies wow

So name any of his leadership pledges at the leadership election he has kept

 

[clint van damme]

Or maybe asking the question of what they are going to do with the opportunity?
Do something transformative for the country or just be a glorified Cameron spiv?

We have a cost of living crisis.
We're the only G7 country whose economy has not returned to prepandemic level.
We have health, education and transport systems in crisis.
Inequality is going through the roof.
There's been an assault on people's freedoms and their right to protest and withdraw their Labour.
Brexit still hasn't reaped the rewards we were told it would.

I'm not sure moving at gnats whisker leftwards is going to sort this.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So name any of his leadership pledges at the leadership election he has kept

Lying???? Changing opinion and reacting to situations isn’t it?
Why do you care?

 

[clint van damme]

L

Like the director of public prosecution?
wow

That's a totally different position from being head of one of the two main parties and hugely different from being PM.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That's a totally different position from being head of one of the two main parties and hugely different from being PM.

Of course but it shows the mettle of a person?
Johnson’s history is one well known as a compulsive liar

 

[Grendel]

Lying???? Changing opinion and reacting to situations isn’t it?
Why do you care?

Why has he reneged on a commitment to nationalise railways?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why has he reneged on a commitment to nationalise railways?

Probably can’t afford it or sell it?
honest answer I don’t know it’s not lying though unless you have it in for someone

 

[Grendel]

Of course but it shows the mettle of a person?
Johnson’s history is one well known as a compulsive liar

his history there isn’t exactly without concerns is it?

 

[Grendel]

Probably can’t afford it or sell it?
honest answer I don’t know it’s not lying though unless you have it in for someone

“I pledge a minimum wage of £15”

 

[Ian1779]

Did you or anyone else questioning the integrity of Starmer ask that of Corbyn?

I didn’t need to - the manifesto spoke for itself.

 

[PVA]

I'm not sure moving at gnats whisker leftwards is going to sort this.

If Starmer isn't far left enough for you that's absolutely fine, but to say his Labour government would only be a gnats whisker left of this government is just fucking nuts

They've just appointed a guy who is mates with a bunch of white supremacists as deputy chair

 

[Astute]

Why has he reneged on a commitment to nationalise railways?

Could do it the Tory way and waste billions on things that don't enrich people's lives or wait for the contracts to run down and do something different.

So is it better to change plans depending on the financial mess the Tories have left us with or plough ahead wasting untold billions like the Tories do?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

“I pledge a minimum wage of £15”

Ok and he’s repackaging the offer to the country as time has moved on.
Im not defending anything but he’s not on the level of Johnson
And as for something slightly left not being worthwhile. Course it is

 

[Ian1779]

Lying???? Changing opinion and reacting to situations isn’t it?
Why do you care?

Changing your mind on a policy (nationalisation) that is popular across the voting political spectrum is just plain stupid if you’d prefer.