Grendel
Well-Known Member
You said Blair was a liar, brown robbed everyone of pension and Corbyn a terrorist. Which labour leader have you ever liked!
Which is what I have been saying. Yet most on here just seem to always want to disagree with everything I say even when they agree with me
Of course he's not going to be totally squeaky clean. Everyone who gets into a position like that has made deals somewhere and owes somebody. Will he be saying shit he doesn't believe because thinktanks/advisors believe it will get votes - of course he will.He's thoroughly dishonest, I'm talking Johnson levels of dishonesty.
And he'll prove to be just as corrupt.
Bookmark mark this for 3 or 4 years into his first term and I'll happily admit to talking bollocks if I'm wrong.
As a general rule, yes, but in positions of power both are fucking awful. Basically the question is Truss v Johnson.He’s not in power
Stupid is better than dishonest yes
“I pledge a minimum wage of £15”
Can you post a link to this quote or have you just made it up?
Show me where I said Corbyn was a terrorist. What I said was too many skeletons in the closet.You said Blair was a liar, brown robbed everyone of pension and Corbyn a terrorist. Which labour leader have you ever liked!
So you didn’t like brown and BlairShow me where I said Corbyn was a terrorist. What I said was too many skeletons in the closet.
But yes Blair lied about WMD's. Brown killed off final salary pensions with his massive tax take. Or would you like to disagree with this?
I take it you do know that our economy has crashed because of the extremely bad way the Tories have run things since then.To be honest, the debate isn't about the point you made, it's about Starmer and his rolling back on pledges.
If people are OK to let that slide that's fine but it's not something I'm happy with.
I take it you do know that our economy has crashed because of the extremely bad way the Tories have run things since then.
It would be the same for someone to tighten their belts and change their plans because they don't have the funds they had just a few years ago. If Starmer continued to pledge what now can't be afforded the Tories would be back in again although they are presently an absolute shambles.
I take it you do know that our economy has crashed because of the extremely bad way the Tories have run things since then.
It would be the same for someone to tighten their belts and change their plans because they don't have the funds they had just a few years ago. If Starmer continued to pledge what now can't be afforded the Tories would be back in again although they are presently an absolute shambles.
Which pledges are you talking about?Which pledges did he roll back on because they became unaffordable?
Keir Starmer accused of hypocrisy after pictured backing £15 minimum wage
Photo of Labour leader campaigning next to McDonald’s workers goes viralwww.independent.co.uk
Which pledges did he roll back on because they became unaffordable?
So you made it up. Good stuff.
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All the pledges are only possible in government. He can’t break any of them yet. The one exception is the “strong opposition” pledge, which looking at the polls it’s hard to argue with.
Same to you. At least give evidence on what he pledged and not what Corbyn or Abbot have said since.he wasn’t there then?
Which pledges are you talking about?
So which ones have not been affected with the way the Tories have devastated our economy?He's already rolled back on them, he's admitted it.
He's blamed covid.
Affordability isn't the issue for several of them is the point I'm making.
In fact, he should be doubling down on his pledge to raise the higher rate of tax.
You think changing a policy platform openly is comparable to what Johnson has done? Really?
He's already rolled back on them, he's admitted it.
He's blamed covid.
Affordability isn't the issue for several of them is the point I'm making.
In fact, he should be doubling down on his pledge to raise the higher rate of tax.
Changing a policy platform? Really? They were cast iron commitments that he made to the membership as a condition of his leadership campaign.
Then, as soon as he got power he rolled back on them immediately and started the purge.
I get that integrity means fuck all to some people, which is probably why we end up with such useless wankers running the country.
Which pledges did he roll back on because they became unaffordable?
So which ones have not been affected with the way the Tories have devastated our economy?
Keir Starmer accused of hypocrisy after pictured backing £15 minimum wage
Photo of Labour leader campaigning next to McDonald’s workers goes viralwww.independent.co.uk
He isn't enough to the left for some. They would prefer (although nobody will name who they would prefer) someone further to the left who wouldn't get elected. This is the part I can never understand.Can you post a link to him saying this? He’s said things will depend on the state of the finances. I can’t find anything with him saying the pledges are reversed.
Of course you are. Because you can't answer a simple question.So I ask you this
And you reply with this
Same old Astute!
You carry on mate, I'm done discussing Starmer.
Can you post a link to him saying this? He’s said things will depend on the state of the finances. I can’t find anything with him saying the pledges are reversed.
Of course you are. Because you can't answer a simple question.
Theresa May lost her position as PM because she promised what couldn't be afforded because of the state of the economy. If Starmer did the same he would be finished. Then who would we have? You have already admitted you don't know who with.
Clearly this will be surprising news to some people on here but it is entirely possible to want a Labour government and not think Starmer is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Doesn't mean those people will only accept a hard left party leader.He isn't enough to the left for some. They would prefer (although nobody will name who they would prefer) someone further to the left who wouldn't get elected. This is the part I can never understand.
He's hiding behind covid, a tory trick and no mistake.
I mean what about number 7, he doesn't need to be PM to achieve that. How do you think he's doing?
Pledge - a solemn promise or undertaking
That was only part of the pledge, he promised to stand shoulder to shoulder with trade unions - he hasn't achieved that has he?How is he going to repeal the Trade Unions Act from opposition?
Correct. I still don't know which so called pledges you want me to reply to so asked you which they are. And as usual you always expect a reply to questions but don't like replying to them yourself so come out with comments like this one.I asked you a simple question and you answered with a question!
The trade union oneCorrect. I still don't know which so called pledges you want me to reply to so asked you which they are. And as usual you always expect a reply to questions but don't like replying to them yourself so come out with comments like this one.
I'll try yet again. Which pledges are you on about which haven't been affected by the situation the Tories have left us in?
I agree with you. But who is there that would be better than Starmer for Labour? Not one person has answered this question.Clearly this will be surprising news to some people on here but it is entirely possible to want a Labour government and not think Starmer is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Doesn't mean those people will only accept a hard left party leader.
That is one. But a few on here seem to make out it is nearly every single one.The trade union one
Clearly this will be surprising news to some people on here but it is entirely possible to want a Labour government and not think Starmer is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Doesn't mean those people will only accept a hard left party leader.
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