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It’sabatch87 · May 8, 2021

Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn – it needs wholesale root-and-branch reform

Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn

SIR Keir Starmer faces a huge challenge coming back from this week’s disastrous election results. Even the Labour leader’s most optimistic MPs know they are facing at least the next decade as…

www.thesun.co.uk

Deleted member 5849 · May 8, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Did anybody actually care a referendum was called though ? As everybody expected a remain win .

This is the break up of the union , its our constitution , 400 years .

Not some trading bloc agreement

Has to be concrete for Westminster to allow it to happen, and with less votes than pro independence parties , why would Westminster allow it...they wont

They allowed Brexit. That's what happens with a system that elects individuals rather than freaks in %ages. Want different, change the system.

And if you think the %age means independence isn't favoured, let them have the referendum.

Philosoraptor · May 8, 2021

Deleted member 4439 · May 8, 2021

Evo1883 said:
I just read something on twitter that was quite staggering really .

Unionist votes in Scotland were split so much so between Labour, lib and tory , that had they been centralised to 1 party in every region the SNP would have won less than 15 seats .

But that's how FPP works. Thatcher won a term on just 32% of the popular vote.

Deleted member 4439 · May 8, 2021

clint van damme said:
But that's just made up, this isn't:

Boris Johnson did write that “blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless - Full Fact

In a 1995 Spectator article, Boris Johnson wrote that ”blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless.

fullfact.org

but he's got a posh voice and can throw out a bit of Latin so its OK!

And so it goes on. Rather than acknowledge the failings of a party, blame those failings on the charisma of just one man in power.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 8, 2021

Philosorapter said:

The party that ruined that region from top to bottom gets in because they aren't Labour

Skybluefaz · May 9, 2021

Sadiq Khan is London mayor for a second term

PVA · May 9, 2021

dubed said:
And so it goes on. Rather than acknowledge the failings of a party, blame those failings on the charisma of just one man in power.

Once again you spectacularly miss the point.

Skybluefaz · May 9, 2021

PVA said:
Once again you spectacularly miss the point.

The truth is too woke.

Deleted member 4439 · May 9, 2021

PVA said:
Once again you spectacularly miss the point.

I feel I'm going to regret this, but do you have a point to make, ever?

PVA · May 9, 2021

dubed said:
I feel I'm going to regret this, but do you have a point to make, ever?

If you haven't worked out what point I'm making yet then I can't help you

That's twice today you've missed the point quite badly though.

Your continued point seems to be repeatedly saying that Labour/the left think the working class are stupid... Then complain that people are calling the working class stupid... When you're the only one saying it (apart from Johnson and Co, of course).

Deleted member 4439 · May 9, 2021

PVA said:
If you haven't worked out what point I'm making yet then I can't help you

That's twice today you've missed the point quite badly.

You should look upwards sometimes,

But really, just how many foodbanks are good enough?

clint van damme · May 9, 2021

dubed said:
And so it goes on. Rather than acknowledge the failings of a party, blame those failings on the charisma of just one man in power.

I've not disagreed with any criticisms of Labour. Ive said numerous times I acknowledge them.

I just don't understand why the tories get a pass. Got to be the posh accents.

British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs

Many British employees "prefer a lie-in to hard work", a group of Conservative MPs claims as they call for measures to boost productivity.

www.google.com

PVA · May 9, 2021

dubed said:
You should look upwards sometimes,

But really, just how many foodbanks are good enough?

Do you think Fred was right, that 9 foodbanks in his area is a good achievement for the Tories? And that none under Labour is damning for them?

shmmeee · May 9, 2021

Grendel said:
PVA owns a cafe in a very working class village

Other than him no middle class people live there. Then one moves in.

Thing is PVA only sells tripe and onions - working class food for the working class yeah?

He has to get google out and thinks middle classes might like a smoked salmon and cheese bagel (whole meal of course)

His pensioner regulars sit down on day one and order salmon bagels

PVA doesn’t get it. “What you don’t one that it’s not for you”

They just say they want it.

“What do you like about it”

“never tried it”

“YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHY YOU LIKE IT!”

“Can’t be any worse that that shit you’ve been serving we only come here as there’s no one else”

“NOT GOOD ENOUGH TELL ME WHY YOU WANT IT! you have to have working class food unless you give me a good reason! I’m bringing you tripe and your eating it you dumb, senile racist bunch of tosses”

We are leaving and we will go to another village and try salmon

PVA than rages when no one goes in any more as I mean he’s only feeding them the same old shite theyve always eaten

Poor PVA the only middle class man in the village

Wut?

TomRad85 · May 9, 2021

The 2 worst things about the season finishing..
1. No football = boring
2. No football related boredom = this thread going into overdrive

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clint van damme · May 9, 2021

TomRad85 said:
The 2 worst things about the season finishing..
1. No football = boring
2. No football related boredom = this thread going into overdrive

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I honestly think it was about to calm down for the summer and you've just bumped it and set it off again.
I hope you're proud of yourself?!

TomRad85 · May 9, 2021

clint van damme said:
I honestly think it was about to calm down for the summer and you've just bumped it and set it off again.
I hope you're proud of yourself?!

Very!

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Ian1779 · May 9, 2021

It’sabatch87 said:
Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn – it needs wholesale root-and-branch reform

Labour’s finished until it finds a cure for Long Corbyn

SIR Keir Starmer faces a huge challenge coming back from this week’s disastrous election results. Even the Labour leader’s most optimistic MPs know they are facing at least the next decade as…

www.thesun.co.uk

I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.

Deleted member 5849 · May 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.

I'll never see Pride and Prejudice in the same way again!

It’sabatch87 · May 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
I was going to read this, but then I saw it was by the bestiality fantasist Austin.

I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.

skybluetony176 · May 9, 2021

Meanwhile in other news. Man responsible for ripping our country apart has said ripping our country apart would be “irresponsible and reckless”.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 9, 2021

skybluetony176 said:
Meanwhile in other news. Man responsible for ripping our country apart has said ripping our country apart would be “irresponsible and reckless”.

Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place

Deleted member 5849 · May 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Indeed. The union now rests on him repeatedly saying no to Sturgeon after he created the optimal conditions for her to ask in the first place

As an aside, that's one message Labour need to reverse that's gained traction - vote Labour, get SNP. If you vote Labour, you get rid of the point of the SNP.

Sky Blue Pete · May 9, 2021

I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad

Brighton Sky Blue · May 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
As an aside, that's one message Labour need to reverse that's gained traction - vote Labour, get SNP. If you vote Labour, you get rid of the point of the SNP.

I have made that argument over the past few elections

clint van damme · May 9, 2021

It’sabatch87 said:
I was expecting this reply,Lefties that only see their side of the argument.
Get your heads out of the sand it’s like a child sticking their fingers in their ears going nananana.....
Labour are heading into oblivion but you cannot see it.

Your talking shit as usual. I follow plenty of right wing journalists, they're actually saying the same thing about Labour as most socialists which you'd know unless you're actually as insular as you're accusing other people of being.
However, I'm not going to read the sun.
Though after your last link its a fairly left wing publication in comparison I suppose

David O'Day · May 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad

It's always been like this Morrison/Gaitskill vs Bevin etc

clint van damme · May 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
I can’t see a way of unifying the broad church of Labour as it is now. So sad

Centrists forgetting about a 2nd referendum and the left forgetting about Corbyn would be a start

chiefdave · May 9, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Where's the mandate nicola ?

In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?

Grendel · May 9, 2021

chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?

It is a totally different scenario. The vote previously was declared a once in a generation and is being ignored

The SNP lost the last referendum but were elected to govern.

In the prior election more Scots voted Brexit then the SNP

And as I type Sturgeon is stalling on even moving on it. I wonder why

Brighton Sky Blue · May 9, 2021

chiefdave said:
In the 2010 general election the Conservative manifesto promised a referendum on EU membership, they got 36.9% of the vote.

In the 2021 Scottish election the SNP manifesto promised a referendum on UK membership, they got 47.7% of the vote.

Why does one give a mandate and not the other?

Because they had one 7 years ago and will just keep redoing it until they win at the expense of simply governing the country.

Grendel · May 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because they had one 7 years ago and will just keep redoing it until they win at the expense of simply governing the country.

They’ll lower the voting age to 12 to get it through

Brighton Sky Blue · May 9, 2021

Grendel said:
They’ll lower the voting age to 12 to get it through

Actually look at the state of education, NHS, policing and so on up there since 2011. All might I add with more funding per head than anywhere in England or Wales and often twice as much as NE England just across the border. This obsession with building a fence at Gretna has got to be buried until at least 2040

skybluetony176 · May 9, 2021

The only Labour gain/bonus I can see is that the took the Peterborough and Cambridgeshire mayor of the Tories on second preference voting. Other than that...

I think the Greens deserve a mention for joining Labour in the second round of the Bristol Mayor election too, good accomplishment by the Greens in Bristol. Although they made gains in lots of places.

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