Do you want to discuss boring politics? (8 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

The place I work now has a very very strong union , I will say that much.

The workers have so much power sometimes it's hard to believe what goes on

 

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[Skybluefaz]

I worked at jaguar Land rover for 2 years .
The lads before me on the track were white and Indian, the lads behind me on the track were white and black .
All down the track people of every background quite literally getting on , having a laugh working together .

I now work at a place where it's a similar story (I won't name it as I don't know whose on here )

I just don't see this fractured society we are told about .
But we are told about it constantly by everybody else .
That's why it confuses so many people and annoys them .

I live on a street with people of different races and backgrounds ..
We borrow things off eachother , the Indian guy behind me jet washed my patio for nothing , the Somalian family by us , we took their daughter last week to Kenilworth Park , when it's hot we all chat in the gardens .

Many people just don't see it and that's why it's so confusing and hard for us to understand

I think when you are collaborating and working with people from different ethnicities and backgrounds it is one of the best cracks you can have. In my last job we had white, sikh, hindu and muslims working together. There was loads of self deprecating humour going on (Muslim mate moaned about the lack of phone signal in caves when he got back from visiting family in Pakistan) for example. We'd play football after work, go the pub at lunch times. Pretty bang on.

Equally though I can tell you stories about when I was a manager of a food store and my boss who was a hindu showed me a racist anti-muslim video on his phone in what was one of the most awkward moments of my life. Same boss got called a paki by one of my members of staff as he got out of his car just before we were about to sack him. The lad was nicking from the tills and wouldn't have even known who my boss was at that point.

Basically I think most people are sound, you see this in these collaborative environments like shopfloors on the tracks etc as people have explained. Start removing the number of eyes and ears around though and some people show their true colours. I'd be amazed if most people weren't mainly exposed to racism within their own 4 walls. I know I was. Now you have twitter where you can be relatively anonymous and dish out abuse and extreme views (left, right, black, white, whatever) and you have a sort of opposite environment to the one I described above where you have a community of fuckwits who get emboldened by it.

Well that is my hot take anyway.

 

[chiefdave]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

The issue is that it prevents some people from voting and has been shown to disproportionally impact certain demographics. 3.5 million people in the UK don't any photo ID , if you require either a passport or driving license that increases to 11 million. These are often the poorer people in society so aren't going to be able to afford to obtain photo ID just so they can vote. Why should they be denied their democratic right?

Its also trying to fix an issue that doesn't exist.
General election: Evidence shows electoral fraud not a danger to British democracy | Politics News | Sky News
Electoral fraud data | Electoral Commission

 

[shmmeee]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

Because the people who can’t prove it easily vote mostly for the other party.

Jesus I bet you believe in Santa as well. Absolute conmans wet dream.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

You'd have been all for Blair's ID cards scheme then.

Or Thatcher's football fan ID card scheme, where only people with them could go to a game...

 

[shmmeee]

Got to notice how none of the Tories can tell you anything they want/expect, just “lol Labour suck and I’m not Labour”, it’s Brexit all over again. A whole swathe of people excited for something but they don’t know what it is so can’t be disappointed.

Politics as grift. Absolutely mental.

 

[Evo1883]

In regards to the photo ID to vote

Are they free ? Isn't it similar already in northern Ireland ?
What other countries use this method ?
Is it successful?

As long as all legal residents have one why will it be a problem ?

Not too clued up on this kind of thing , haven't really read much about it at all

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

In regards to the photo ID to vote

Are they free ? Isn't it similar already in northern Ireland ?
What other countries use this method ?
Is it successful?

As long as all legal residents have one why will it be a problem ?

Not too clued up on this kind of thing , haven't really read much about it at all

Basically Labour's only chance of winning is without it.....its a great idea as people actually have to prove who they are

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Got to notice how none of the Tories can tell you anything they want/expect, just “lol Labour suck and I’m not Labour”, it’s Brexit all over again. A whole swathe of people excited for something but they don’t know what it is so can’t be disappointed.

Politics as grift. Absolutely mental.

Think you should switch parties to avoid 20 years + of misery

 

[shmmeee]

In regards to the photo ID to vote

Are they free ? Isn't it similar already in northern Ireland ?
What other countries use this method ?
Is it successful?

As long as all legal residents have one why will it be a problem ?

Not too clued up on this kind of thing , haven't really read much about it at all

No, neither passports nor driving licences are free. Around 25% of adults have neither.

 

[shmmeee]

Think you should switch parties to avoid 20 years + of misery

Think you should learn the difference between sport and politics and not be such a credulous child but here we are.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

In regards to the photo ID to vote

Are they free ? Isn't it similar already in northern Ireland ?
What other countries use this method ?
Is it successful?

As long as all legal residents have one why will it be a problem ?

Not too clued up on this kind of thing , haven't really read much about it at all

If you're going to do it, may as well just do a full-on ID card.

But when Blair suggested that, the people now suggesting this were up in arms.

 

[shmmeee]

If you're going to do it, may as well just do a full-on ID card.

But when Blair suggested that, the people now suggesting this were up in arms.

I quit Labour over ID cards, I’m a civil libertarian at heart, but that ship has well and truly sailed. GCHQ know everything from my favourite breakfast to how long I last when wanking. At least make government more efficient while you’re at it I say.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Think you should learn the difference between sport and politics and not be such a credulous child but here we are.

Hows not being against Voter ID childish lol, the majority of people don't have a problem with it

 

[PVA]

Basically Labour's only chance of winning is without it.....its a great idea as people actually have to prove who they are

You still haven't answered the question - if voter fraud is so widespread at the moment are you saying the Tories keep winning elections fraudulently?

 

[Skybluefaz]

If you're going to do it, may as well just do a full-on ID card.

But when Blair suggested that, the people now suggesting this were up in arms.

I read somewhere that Johnson has previously voted against ID cards 12 times or something like that.

 

[Evo1883]

If you're going to do it, may as well just do a full-on ID card.

But when Blair suggested that, the people now suggesting this were up in arms.

Would people rather we had mandatory voting like Australia for example .

 

[shmmeee]

Hows not being against Voter ID childish lol, the majority of people don't have a problem with it

No you are childish. Nothing to do with voter ID. It’s about you. Dom.

 

[shmmeee]

Would people rather we had mandatory voting like Australia for example .

What problem exactly are we trying to solve? Probably best to start there before picking a solution.

The problem we are trying to solve appears to be “not everyone elects a Tory”.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Would people rather we had mandatory voting like Australia for example .

That's an interesting philosophical question really, and a bit deep for a Monday morning

Personally, I'd spoil my ballot paper and register a protest by electoral action rather than not just turning up, so I can see the appeal but... something sits slightly uncomfortably with me with people being forced to vote.

As per this election, the first thing to do to get people out and vote is actually show you care yourself, if you're standing for election! What forcing people to a ballot box doesn't do is improve engagement.

 

[shmmeee]

Mandatory voting but we can select “none of the above” and it disqualifies all candidates from running for ten years and a new election is held if NOTA wins.

 

[Evo1883]

What problem exactly are we trying to solve? Probably best to start there before picking a solution.

The problem we are trying to solve appears to be “not everyone elects a Tory”.

I was thinking along the lines of if everybody had to vote , maybe people would become more interested in politics and policies that effect them, over time ofcourse ... leading people to vote for their actual interests

 

[Ian1779]

Hows not being against Voter ID childish lol, the majority of people don't have a problem with it

Go on then - chuck your voter ID idea into the Tory Facebook groups you frequent and see what happens

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I was thinking along the lines of if everybody had to vote , maybe people would become more interested in politics and policies that effect them, over time ofcourse ... leading to people voting for their actual interests

Or they'll just be disengaged with being ordered to vote, and will end up voting for the next Nigel-come-lately who promises an end to the election tyranny of the state.

 

[Ian1779]

I was thinking along the lines of if everybody had to vote , maybe people would become more interested in politics and policies that effect them, over time ofcourse ... leading people to vote for their actual interests

I think if you make sure people have the ‘none of the above’ option to choose then you could try mandatory voting?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I do however think you give up your right to complain about the government of the day if you don't take up your right to vote against them when the time comes...

 

[shmmeee]

I was thinking along the lines of if everybody had to vote , maybe people would become more interested in politics and policies that effect them, over time ofcourse ... leading people to vote for their actual interests

How does it work in Australia? They have it there don’t they? All I know is you get a free sausage when you vote, which I’m all for!

 

[Evo1883]

How does it work in Australia? They have it there don’t they? All I know is you get a free sausage when you vote, which I’m all for!

They've had it there for about 100 years I think

 

[Deleted member 5849]

All I know is you get a free sausage when you vote, which I’m all for!

Now I'm in but... surely that's veganist?

 

[skybluetony176]

There really is a clip of Boris for anything

 

[Ian1779]

How does it work in Australia? They have it there don’t they? All I know is you get a free sausage when you vote, which I’m all for!

It’s a fine for not voting - but it’s only $20

 

[Evo1883]

It’s a fine for not voting - but it’s only $20

Goes up to 60 dollars if you fail to pay

 

[shmmeee]

Now I'm in but... surely that's veganist?

Vegan sausages exist.

Against gods will, but they exist.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Vegan sausages exist.

Against gods will, but they exist.

When is a sausage not a sausage...?

That said, seeing some of the volunteers at polling stations, not entirely sure if a free sausage wouldn't finish more off with food poisoning than Covid has!

 

[shmmeee]

There really is a clip of Boris for anything

He’s just a needy kid. He’ll say anything to anyone if he thinks it’s what they want to hear.

Priti Patel will be sliding off her seat in anticipation of ID cards. It’ll happen.