Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

When is a sausage not a sausage...?

That said, seeing some of the volunteers at polling stations, not entirely sure if a free sausage wouldn't finish more off with food poisoning than Covid has!

Sausage on a Barbie is very Aussie though, we’d need a British equivalent. I would say bacon sarnies but considering the issues with islamophobia on the right and antisemitism on the left not sure it’s the best idea!

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

He’s just a needy kid. He’ll say anything to anyone if he thinks it’s what they want to hear.

Priti Patel will be sliding off her seat in anticipation of ID cards. It’ll happen.

The way you talk, its as if Labour have a massive majoirty lol when in reality it couldn't be more opposite

 

[shmmeee]

The way you talk, its as if Labour have a massive majoirty lol when in reality it couldn't be more opposite

Don’t think I mentioned Labour there mate

 

[Evo1883]

Sausage on a Barbie is very Aussie though, we’d need a British equivalent. I would say bacon sarnies but considering the issues with islamophobia on the right and antisemitism on the left not sure it’s the best idea!

Chocolate, we can all agree on chocolate

 

[shmmeee]

Chocolate, we can all agree on chocolate

I like this! Could be like Easter eggs but for democracy. Hollow chocolate Houses of Parliament or something.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sausage on a Barbie is very Aussie though, we’d need a British equivalent. I would say bacon sarnies but considering the issues with islamophobia on the right and antisemitism on the left not sure it’s the best idea!

Jellied eels or pie and mash!

 

[shmmeee]

Jellied eels or pie and mash!

I’ll take my £20 fine

 

[Philosoraptor]

In the political world which is spinning coming here just gives me vertigo.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Am I right in saying West Midlands Labour has lost all control of the WMCA?

From what I can understand it is 1 Mayor and 1/3 Councils of Combined Authorities?

Labour does not have 2/3 control of Combined Authorities to stop any action taken by the Mayor if they wished to do so?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Mandatory voting with a none of the above would be great.

Not against ID for voting providing that they give them out for free. It would actually be a good use of government resources to provide a free passport or driving licence.

I agree with Shmmee here though, ID cards were a bad idea but they know everything about us anyway now, including our opinion on Max Biamou, they may as well have a compulsory free ID card that acts as a driving license and passport at the same time.

 

[clint van damme]

Khalid's mention of how he was received at work suddenly took me back 30 years to when I last worked on the factory floor. It was a very mixed economy of whites (English, Scots and Irish), Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims. Truly, I can't think of one instance, whether in private conversation or as a group when I observed racism. I'm not saying that racism didn't exist in society back then, but in the workplace there was the unifying force of workers together, partly to stand our ground and because the sheer monotony of work cultivated the need for us to come together to embrace our situation. I left shortly before that workplace, like so many, was pretty much stripped of union rights except in name only.

I know this is a very simplistic and unoriginal view, it it seems to me that the loss of manufacturing and associated services to globalization, the destruction of union rights and decent jobs has created a vacuum in which we have been splintered, and that vacuum replaced by the disjointed concerns of minorities.

We know that we will never see a return to a mass labour movement, but it's hard to see what the theme would be around which Labour votes could be coalesced. Tbh, whilst for me Khalid has correctly identified some of the issues, not least the metropolitan elite and its tactic of cultural hegemony, I didn't find anything in his note that showed me the way forward,

He did allude to working at a grass roots level though 2hich Starmer seems to be moving away from and something that was apparently happening in some of the few areas where Labour did have success, Preston etc.

 

[PVA]

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Sausage on a Barbie is very Aussie though, we’d need a British equivalent. I would say bacon sarnies but considering the issues with islamophobia on the right and antisemitism on the left not sure it’s the best idea!

Cup of tea and a Rich Tea biscuit. Or a bag of chips.

 

[MusicDating]

Not sure if this has been mentioned. Isn't just a case of going 'Oopsie, actually this person won', going to take months of legal stuff to resolve!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I like this! Could be like Easter eggs but for democracy. Hollow chocolate Houses of Parliament or something.

For politics it would definitely have to be hollow. Maybe chocolate coins just to remind everyone what money feels like.

Also have to make sure there was white, milk and dark chocolate available so as not to offend anyone.

 

[SomersetSB]

Labours last eleven election results are
LLLLWWWLLLL.
It’s either a village in Wales or Bristol city’s form since January!!

 

[PVA]

Not sure if this has been mentioned. Isn't just a case of going 'Oopsie, actually this person won', going to take months of legal stuff to resolve!

So Dom was right, the Tories are winning elections fraudulently!

 

[chiefdave]

This is a very good piece. Pretty much sums up my views.

In a nutshell: Tories have gone populist to win the Red Wall/working class. We just have to wait for them to fail on 'levelling up', which they will.

Seems to be a lot of people pointing to this article but isn't it just a long winded version of the much criticised 'voters are stupid'?

It basically says those that have voted Conservative have fallen for a load of BS and if Labour just wait long enough they'll realise their mistake and return to Labour.

Labour can't go on just pointing and laughing at clips of people giving dumb reasons for not voting for them. Pretty clear this is a significant chunk of the electorate so they have to work out what they can do about it above just labelling them idiots. We know the media aren't going to help them get their message across, if anything it will be the opposite, and people ignore anything on social media that doesn't line up with their beliefs so how do Labour resolve this?

 

[shmmeee]

Am I right in saying West Midlands Labour has lost all control of the WMCA?

From what I can understand it is 1 Mayor and 1/3 Councils of Combined Authorities?

Labour does not have 2/3 control of Combined Authorities to stop any action taken by the Mayor if they wished to do so?

What can the mayor actually do? Here it seems to be mostly pretty drawings of transport or plans or demanding things that have already been planned like the demolition of Barracks car park.

Do all mayors have the same power because London and Manchester seem to actually do stuff and the rest not so much.

 

[Evo1883]

Pay up nicola

 

[bezzer]

Yeah there is much to laugh at a one party state headed by a corrupt lazy liar of a PM

If the opposition wasn't so shite then maybe the UK wouldn't be a 'one party state'

 

[David O'Day]

What can the mayor actually do? Here it seems to be mostly pretty drawings of transport or plans or demanding things that have already been planned like the demolition of Barracks car park.

Do all mayors have the same power because London and Manchester seem to actually do stuff and the rest not so much.

The South Yorks mayor isn't even a paid position

 

[shmmeee]

The South Yorks mayor isn't even a paid position

Seriously?

 

[David O'Day]

Seriously?

I think so, let me just check but I seem to remember Dan Jarvis giving that as a reason he couldn't stand down as a mp

 

[David O'Day]

Seriously?

Ignore that - I read he doesn't get paid but it's actually he gives his mayors wage to charity

Salary would be £79500

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What can the mayor actually do? Here it seems to be mostly pretty drawings of transport or plans or demanding things that have already been planned like the demolition of Barracks car park.

Do all mayors have the same power because London and Manchester seem to actually do stuff and the rest not so much.

Andy Street has seemed a bit Boris-like in his love of big projects while ignoring some of the smaller stuff.

 

[clint van damme]

What can the mayor actually do? Here it seems to be mostly pretty drawings of transport or plans or demanding things that have already been planned like the demolition of Barracks car park.

Do all mayors have the same power because London and Manchester seem to actually do stuff and the rest not so much.

I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Seems to be a lot of people pointing to this article but isn't it just a long winded version of the much criticised 'voters are stupid'?

It basically says those that have voted Conservative have fallen for a load of BS and if Labour just wait long enough they'll realise their mistake and return to Labour.

Labour can't go on just pointing and laughing at clips of people giving dumb reasons for not voting for them. Pretty clear this is a significant chunk of the electorate so they have to work out what they can do about it above just labelling them idiots. We know the media aren't going to help them get their message across, if anything it will be the opposite, and people ignore anything on social media that doesn't line up with their beliefs so how do Labour resolve this?

Agreed Dave. By continuing to focus on people being tricked into voting Tory/or the electorate are thick argument, labour will miss the point and the opportunity to adapt/change to become a more attractive option in the eyes of the public. The aggressive left social media comments like ‘I’ve never met a nice Tory’, ‘How thick must that working class bloke be for voting for the Tories’, ‘I could never date a Tory’ etc etc...it’s half the country that’s being alienated and probably put off voting Labour.

This was an interesting article (published before Thursday)

Labour keeps pushing the ‘same old Tories’ line – but voters have moved on | Rafael Behr

Keir Starmer is trying to ignite flames of public indignation by blowing on 25-year-old embers, says Guardian columnist Rafael Behr

www.theguardian.com

Ps also an interesting opinion article over the weekend about Ben Houchen, teeside mayor (Didn’t realise he was only 34). Shmmeee - might be of interest following your post about mayors. Sounds like he’s got Johnson’s ear and Johnson’s backed him in various areas. When people in a local community can see action/improvement it doesn’t matter if the person delivering it is left or right, they are likely to back them

Houchenism – the brand of can-do Tory threatening the left and right old guard | Will Hutton

With a 73% majority and a string of interventionist initiatives, Tees Valley mayor, Ben Houchen, is reinventing Conservatism

www.theguardian.com

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Ben Houchen.....Nephew of Keith according to wiki.

....As you were.

 

[David O'Day]

I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?

It would more to do with Labour being seen as too liberal and not of the same values as them.

As Schmeee has said before they are thefundteh NHS hang the paedos voters. Anyone liberal in places like Hartlepool has moved to a bigger city.

 

[Evo1883]

Interesting but not surprising, we've become America

also falls in line with what people say about many on the left hating their country ... not a dig but an observation proving to be correct

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ben Houchen.....Nephew of Keith according to wiki.

....As you were.

Guess you can't choose your family

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Interesting but not surprising, we've become America

also falls in line with what people say about many on the left hating their country ... not a dig but an observation proving to be correct View attachment 20045

Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.

 

[Evo1883]

Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.

Some would believe that , many don't

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Some would believe that , many don't

It's patently true though.

I'm not necessarily proud of it atm. I'm ashamed we're making ourselves insular, less global in outlook, I'm certainly not proud that traditional British values, for me, of tolerance, acceptance, and co-operation become less and less significant.

I was proud of us under Blair, and hosting the 2012 Olympics, and showing ourselves as positive, and looking outwards. Of course, Iraq didn't make me proud... The actions atm do not make me proud, that does not mean that there aren't things that I'm proud of, but given the question is about pride most of the time, it's a reactive question to events.

I suspect give me a more left leaning government, I would be more proud of this country. Does that mean I hate it? No, it's my home, it's where I come from. It's my... land. I also suspect that give us a more left leaning government, and some of those righties would *not* be as proud of this country as they are now, as values *they* see as important would end up marginalised.