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David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,921
stupot07 said:
Good old Tories want to scrap inheritance tax and lower the rise of benefits, which would hit 9 million people and cost single mothers £218 a year.

Jeremy Hunt weighing up inheritance tax cut in autumn statement

Chancellor considering move after fall in inflation and being told he will have more money to spend
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they know they have lost the last election so are not even hiding the fact they will get everything they can out of it for them and their mates
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,922
stupot07 said:
Good old Tories want to scrap inheritance tax and lower the rise of benefits, which would hit 9 million people and cost single mothers £218 a year.
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How many people are leaving more than the current threshold without taking into account their house? No point increasing the inheritance tax threshold if they’re going to take your biggest asset off you to pay for care costs
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,923
chiefdave said:
How many people are leaving more than the current threshold without taking into account their house? No point increasing the inheritance tax threshold if they’re going to take your biggest asset off you to pay for care costs
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Its not for us plebs.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,924
I feel like inheritance tax is pure baiting for the next Labour government who will inevitably and correctly look at restoring it. The £500k allowance for inheritibg a parent's home is significantly higher than the average house price (currently £291k). In any case, it is morally and economically correct that unearned wealth tax should increase over earned wealth imo.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,925
fernandopartridge said:
I feel like inheritance tax is pure baiting for the next Labour government who will inevitably and correctly look at restoring it. The £500k allowance for inheritibg a parent's home is significantly higher than the average house price (currently £291k). In any case, it is morally and economically correct that unearned wealth tax should increase over earned wealth imo.

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To be honest I'd use it as a stepping stone.

Say "fine, IHT is abolished. In future the treasury will just treat is as income for the beneficiary."
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,926
fernandopartridge said:
I feel like inheritance tax is pure baiting for the next Labour government who will inevitably and correctly look at restoring it. The £500k allowance for inheritibg a parent's home is significantly higher than the average house price (currently £291k). In any case, it is morally and economically correct that unearned wealth tax should increase over earned wealth imo.

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Indeed. Inheritance really is luck over who your family is. Nothing aspirational about it whatsoever.
 

Como

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,927
Christmas is nearly upon us should now be the time to tax gifts, after all the value of the gifts you get is also luck in many ways.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,928
Como said:
Christmas is nearly upon us should now be the time to tax gifts, after all the value of the gifts you get is also luck in many ways.
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Gifts are taxed.
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,929
Como said:
Christmas is nearly upon us should now be the time to tax gifts, after all the value of the gifts you get is also luck in many ways.
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Taxed at the point of sale fella
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,930
shmmeee said:
Gifts are taxed.
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How about gifts to yourself?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,931
You know like clothes or electric bikes or a telly?
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,932
wingy said:
You know like clothes or electric bikes or a telly?
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still taxed at the point of purchase
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,933
shmmeee said:
Gifts are taxed.
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Not from an IHT perspective if you survive 7 years
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2023
  • #31,934
Grendel said:
Not from an IHT perspective if you survive 7 years
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And inheritance isn’t taxed if you leave less than the threshold. But gifts are taxable generally, with exemptions. Just like inheritance is, so the “oh ho! Shall we tax Christmas then?” Stuff doesn’t work. Just like inheritance reasonable amounts and various circumstances are exempt.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,935
shmmeee said:
And inheritance isn’t taxed if you leave less than the threshold. But gifts are taxable generally, with exemptions. Just like inheritance is, so the “oh ho! Shall we tax Christmas then?” Stuff doesn’t work. Just like inheritance reasonable amounts and various circumstances are exempt.
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I don’t understand your point - a couple could legitimately and legally give £120,000 over a 20 year period free of tax

IHT in most cases is easily avoidable or certainly minimised completely legally
 

TomRad85

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,936
Grendel said:
IHT in most cases is easily avoidable or certainly minimised completely legally
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As it should be

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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,937
Why?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,938
The problem with IHT is it’s probably avoided by a majority of the proper rich anyway. I’ve got no issue with the allowance being increased a bit although it probably shouldn’t be a tax priority, especially at the moment. Ordinary people near the allowance level should just blow the cash and enjoy themselves*. It’s their money so may as well do that rather than have it double taxed.

*they should do that anyway really. I’ve said to my mum and step dad I’d rather they spend it on themselves and enjoy their lives than pass it down

edit - also far better off giving it to a worthwhile charity than letting it go into any governments black hole and most likely wasted
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,939
Grendel said:
I don’t understand your point - a couple could legitimately and legally give £120,000 over a 20 year period free of tax

IHT in most cases is easily avoidable or certainly minimised completely legally
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the point is tax isn’t binary. The tax system is usually pretty good at exempting everyday stuff. The IHT stuff will never touch 97% of people, yet gets people’s backs up based on their own circumstances. That was all. Whether something is or isn’t taxed doesn’t mean much the question is are the thresholds and exemptions fair. Talk of abolishing it is far right libertarian nonsense.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,940
shmmeee said:
the point is tax isn’t binary. The tax system is usually pretty good at exempting everyday stuff. The IHT stuff will never touch 97% of people, yet gets people’s backs up based on their own circumstances. That was all. Whether something is or isn’t taxed doesn’t mean much the question is are the thresholds and exemptions fair. Talk of abolishing it is far right libertarian nonsense.
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I wouldn’t describe countries such as Norway, Canada and New Zealand as far right libertarian societies
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,941
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t describe countries such as Norway, Canada and New Zealand as far right libertarian societies
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I’d describe their IHT law as such. I think it’s needed in the UK more than most to counteract centuries of ingrained wealth and power that’s quite specific to us TBH.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 18, 2023
  • #31,942
shmmeee said:
I’d describe their IHT law as such. I think it’s needed in the UK more than most to counteract centuries of ingrained wealth and power that’s quite specific to us TBH.
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I am going to sound like our Hungarian friend here @Kizz in that this is purely anecdotal but I suspect most caught in the IHT trap are not the wealthy at all but people with properties that have accumulated in value and are relatively modest

If me and my spouse died in a crash tomorrow our estate would be valued at £2 million plus and none of it would be taxable
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 19, 2023
  • #31,943
CCFCSteve said:
The problem with IHT is it’s probably avoided by a majority of the proper rich anyway. I’ve got no issue with the allowance being increased a bit although it probably shouldn’t be a tax priority, especially at the moment. Ordinary people near the allowance level should just blow the cash and enjoy themselves*. It’s their money so may as well do that rather than have it double taxed.

*they should do that anyway really. I’ve said to my mum and step dad I’d rather they spend it on themselves and enjoy their lives than pass it down

edit - also far better off giving it to a worthwhile charity than letting it go into any governments black hole and most likely wasted
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I agree the big problem is that it's avoided by those who it is supposed to be aimed at, hence why I'd have no problem it being scrapped for a better system that is able to access those that are very wealthy.

Hence why I'd prefer one which targeted beneficiaries rather than estates, as that also takes into account how much the person receiving it has. Treating it as income would in theory allow a simplified tax system, but undoubtedly the issue would be that those it is targeted at would still find some way around it.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,944
I saw Argentina has elected some libertarian right winger (libertarian usually just means the right for him and people like him to loot the country's remaining wealth).

He's bound to make some populist moves quite quickly. Falklands in time for the next election?

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wingy

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,945
What's the inflation rate 100%.i think.
Folks will be easy pickings.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,946
fernandopartridge said:
I saw Argentina has elected some libertarian right winger (libertarian usually just means the right for him and people like him to loot the country's remaining wealth).

He's bound to make some populist moves quite quickly. Falklands in time for the next election?

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He appears to be Bernard Manning, too!

 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,947
Deleted member 5849 said:
He appears to be Bernard Manning, too!

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The wheel tappers and Malvinas social club
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,948
fernandopartridge said:
I saw Argentina has elected some libertarian right winger (libertarian usually just means the right for him and people like him to loot the country's remaining wealth).

He's bound to make some populist moves quite quickly. Falklands in time for the next election?

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Think he's the most barking populist of the lot, (except maybe Duterte).
Some of his policies are left field (or should that be rightfield), to say the least.
Expect him to put a bid in for liz Truss and Braverman in January.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,949
One myth that we can put to bed from the covid enquiry is that Boris is actually a very intelligent guy. He’s as thick as pig shit, incapable of understanding the most basic of information and not even able to process the evidence of his own eyes and what was happening in Europe and especially Italy. When the country needed leadership we were hamstrung with Boris.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,950
fernandopartridge said:
I saw Argentina has elected some libertarian right winger (libertarian usually just means the right for him and people like him to loot the country's remaining wealth).

He's bound to make some populist moves quite quickly. Falklands in time for the next election?

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There ain’t no wealth. The country’s economy has been a shitshow for decades by all accounts. Running massive deficits, printing more money to cover deficits and therefore causing runaway inflation/ debasement of currency…and in turn raising interest rates to crazy levels to try to suppress inflation. All this leading to poverty levels of 40%.

I’d imagine the population is desperate and they need massive structural change to sort the mess out by the sounds of it….not sure whether this nutter will deliver it though (not sure he can do much worse by looks of it)

Edit - and people wonder why increasing numbers of people, especially in countries with ridiculous inflation, look at options like bitcoin
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,951
Rishi talking about supply side economics while forgetting there's no real demand in a cost of living crisis

Now I wonder who will make a living for these "supply side" reforms? The thing is they aren't even going to be real supply side reforms just trickle down tax cut nonsense.
 
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PVA

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,952
Rishi is (rightly)being thrown under the bus by Vallance today at the inquiry.

Earlier today he said Sage were not asked about the Eat Out scheme and knew nothing of it.

And just now...

"Asked whether the scheme increased the number of deaths, Vallance replies: "It's highly likely to have done"."
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,953
PVA said:
Rishi is (rightly)being thrown under the bus by Vallance today at the inquiry.

Earlier today he said Sage were not asked about the Eat Out scheme and knew nothing of it.

And just now...

"Asked whether the scheme increased the number of deaths, Vallance replies: "It's highly likely to have done"."
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Of course something like eat out increased the spread but ultimately did it lead to more deaths as it accelerated the spread to the point where the nhs couldn’t cope or just accelerate the number of cases of people who would’ve caught it anyway ?

Was he comparing having an eat out scheme with everyone remaining locked down ?

I hope they’re asking these questions otherwise it’s just a waste of time
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,954
skybluetony176 said:
One myth that we can put to bed from the covid enquiry is that Boris is actually a very intelligent guy. He’s as thick as pig shit, incapable of understanding the most basic of information and not even able to process the evidence of his own eyes and what was happening in Europe and especially Italy. When the country needed leadership we were hamstrung with Boris.
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It was the time when we also desperately needed an intelligent and focussed health secretary to absorb the science and be able to communicate it clearly and concisely to a PM with a minute attention span

The Johnson/Hancock double act really was as bad as it could get in a health emergency
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 20, 2023
  • #31,955
CCFCSteve said:
It was the time when we also desperately needed an intelligent and focussed health secretary to absorb the science and be able to communicate it clearly and concisely to a PM with a minute attention span

The Johnson/Hancock double act really was as bad as it could get in a health emergency
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Having listened to a fair bit of it plus a lengthy analysis I'm not sure it's as damning of Johnson as some are making out.

I think Hancock and Sunak come out far worse.
None of this alters the fact that Johnson is a useless, lazy twat.
 
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