Do you want to discuss boring politics? (50 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Very interesting and contrary to the Tory claims it is far from a ‘failed left wing policy’.

Universal basic income to be tested in Wales

It means adults regardless of income, will be given money to cover essential living costs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not even a left wing policy, Thatcher muse and far right economic loon Milton Friedman was a fan as well, but called it negative income tax.

Daddy Boris says it’s bad though so no doubt his fanboys will too.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not even a left wing policy, Thatcher muse and far right economic loon Milton Friedman was a fan as well, but called it negative income tax.

Daddy Boris says it’s bad though so no doubt his fanboys will too.

If only Keir had the balls to take policies like that and frame them from a right wing perspective

 

[shmmeee]

If only Keir had the balls to take policies like that and frame them from a right wing perspective

You need political capital to push controversial policy, Starmer doesn’t have it, Drakeford and Johnson do

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well like a lot of progressive economic ideas they tend to get proven correct in reality whereas conservatives ones consistently fall flat.

But it's the conservative parties of the world that know how to run an economy don't forget...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But it's the conservative parties of the world that know how to run an economy don't forget...

Naturally

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Not even a left wing policy, Thatcher muse and far right economic loon Milton Friedman was a fan as well, but called it negative income tax.

Daddy Boris says it’s bad though so no doubt his fanboys will too.

Yeah. He only likes money being handed out if it's to him or his mates. Why on earth would the plebs deserve money?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah. He only likes money being handed out if it's to him or his mates. Why on earth would the plebs deserve money?

Well they deserve it when they vote for his party, nuts to the rest

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party

 

[Grendel]

Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party

She would never get the union vote

 

[CCFCSteve]

Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party

She should certainly at least be in the shadow cabinet. Said before there’s too many decent politicians on the back benches of both major parties (and plenty of poor ones on the front benches !)

 

[Grendel]

She should certainly at least be in the shadow cabinet. Said before there’s too many decent politicians on the back benches of both major parties (and plenty of poor ones on the front benches !)

I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

She would never get the union vote

True

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either

In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works

 

[Grendel]

In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works

Bet a lot wouldnt - most look at her and see a Blairite who would ditch the left of the party

 

[fernandopartridge]

In a heartbeat. She’s so articulate and speaks with authority and seems to understand how the country works

She's a good performer at committees but has very few other redeeming features

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Bet a lot wouldnt - most look at her and see a Blairite who would ditch the left of the party

Probably. Still can’t put Ed balls and her together. Maybe they never see one another

 

[Grendel]

Probably. Still can’t put Ed balls and her together. Maybe they never see one another

Another with similar political leanings

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Another with similar political leanings

Yep can see that

 

[Ian1779]

I doubt most labour supporters on here wouldnt want her either

She infinitely more capable than some of the current shadow cabinet - but maybe she has found her niche at committee level. Good exposure for what she does with very little scrutiny.

 

[CCFCSteve]

She's a good performer at committees but has very few other redeeming features

I always think she comes across as a bit condescending (think it’s just her manner/way she is rather than necessarily intentional) but should be front bench when looking at some of the alternatives

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If only Keir had the balls to take policies like that and frame them from a right wing perspective

With UBI, it’s an interesting idea.

I’d like to see more trials on a larger scale, but if you could cut all bureaucracy of means tested benefits and replace all other benefits with UBI... Maybe it could be a good and popular policy.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying

 

[CCFCSteve]

Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying

Another MP with a condescending manner...can’t watch him

 

[Ian1779]

With UBI, it’s an interesting idea.

I’d like to see more trials on a larger scale, but if you could cut all bureaucracy of means tested benefits and replace all other benefits with UBI... Maybe it could be a good and popular policy.

In theory Universal Credit could have been a simplification of the benefits system bringing them all together under one payment. But as usual it turned into a sham because it wasn’t done properly.

 

[shmmeee]

Why the hell is Yvette Cooper not leading the Labour Party

Has even less charisma than Starmer. She was terrible in the 2015 leadership campaign. Comes across as patronising and mummy and has literally no vision for the country other than shouting “high tech jobs”, which lost my vote as her answer to say care workers being underpaid was them to retrain as software devs or whatever.

Blair without the charisma basically.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Has even less charisma than Starmer. She was terrible in the 2015 leadership campaign. Comes across as patronising and mummy and has literally no vision for the country other than shouting “high tech jobs”, which lost my vote as her answer to say care workers being underpaid was them to retrain as software devs or whatever.

Blair without the charisma basically.

Well she performed very well this morning

 

[shmmeee]

Well she performed very well this morning

Not a big game player I guess. That said all three of the candidates that lost to Corbyn have looked much better since.

 

[shmmeee]

More virtue signalling and diversity quotas from the government, with some added patronising for people north of the Watford gap, I bet the usuals will lap it up:

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Hancock is very angry this morning. Wow. And emboldened by his position. I’m trying to be balanced but he does piss me off

I can’t help thinking he makes it up as he goes along.

April 9th figures shown for Bangladesh Pakistan and India. India much worse

He then pulls a rabbit out to say the figure they used were the positivity rate of people coming into the uk. Where are these figures or have you just made that up and know it won’t be followed up or if it is it will be forgotten cause it’s easy to use hindsight to prove people wrong

So annoying

When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.

It won’t. None of the other fuck ups make a difference as the lapdogs come out in force to defend them. Going to an indoor restaurant to enjoy that while it lasts and until he cancels my wedding

 

[Deleted member 4439]

It won’t. None of the other fuck ups make a difference as the lapdogs come out in force to defend them.

I think quite some grace was given to them for being slow off the mark on the first round, and I have no confidence whatsoever that a government of different colour might have done things differently. I think the second event crept up on even the experts but then, when it had hit all it the face, Boris decided to sacrifice bodies rather than be accused of cancelling Christmas. This time round they are firmly in receipt of the advice in a timey way but it's clear that they are set on a course that protects the economy above the widespread impact it will have on health. I do think that if this turns out badly they will be significantly damaged.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think quite some grace was given to them for being slow off the mark on the first round, and I have no confidence whatsoever that a government of different colour might have done things differently. I think the second event crept up on even the experts but then, when it had hit all it the face, Boris decided to sacrifice bodies rather than be accused of cancelling Christmas. This time round they are firmly in receipt of the advice in a timey way but it's clear that they are set on a course that protects the economy above the widespread impact it will have on health. I do think that if this turns out badly they will be significantly damaged.

Assuming I still get married in mid July every guest over 18 will have been jabbed and at least half will have had two. I’m sorry, how much longer must we continue denying people experiences particularly as the proportion remaining unvaccinated are those at the lowest risk of serious illness?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

When challenged over the risk of lifting the restrictions he fell back on his fact that much of the population had received their first vac dose and that there was up to 97% efficacy, therefore the impact of the Indian variant would be much less than for the Kent variant over winter.

The latest study in the British Medical Journal, published last Thursday, shows that the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that many of us have had, in fact has between 80-85% efficiency depending on type.

If this becomes a third fuck up over the pandemic, it's going to damage them hard.

No they are Teflon

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Assuming I still get married in mid July every guest over 18 will have been jabbed and at least half will have had two. I’m sorry, how much longer must we continue denying people experiences particularly as the proportion remaining unvaccinated are those at the lowest risk of serious illness?

I guess it's the number of deaths you deem acceptable in order for you to enjoy a shindig? Dunno, one thousand, maybe?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I guess it's the number of deaths you deem acceptable in order for you to enjoy a shindig? Dunno, one thousand, maybe?

Ridiculous