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[Evo1883]

Nah it’s a particular corner of academia which has repeatedly been shown to have poor standards, group think, and unprovable views. Why that’s bleeding into government policy is an interesting question though.

When my old man went to Warwick University (old man is a Labour voter)
It certainly didn't sound like a well balanced place for reason and debate .

You either thought the same as they did or you were on your way off the course

It's very left wing

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Well I'm more on about the public opinion In general , it's not about left or right is it most people think it's fucking nuts .

The people asking the policies are all well educated academics coming from this background

Lazy stereotyping of the academy, there.

 

[shmmeee]

When my old man went to Warwick University (old man is a Labour voter)
It certainly didn't sound like a well balanced place for reason and debate .

You either thought the same as they did or you were on your way off the course

I mean if the course is engineering then that’s fine. The problem is treating social science as as solid as physical science IMO.

 

[Evo1883]

Lazy stereotyping of the academy, there.

I'm not sure that's true

 

[Evo1883]

I mean if the course is engineering then that’s fine. The problem is treating social science as as solid as physical science IMO.

It wasn't engineering , it was psychology he did his last 2 years at Warwick uni

 

[Evo1883]

On a different subject, I'm appalled at the way the US and UK are abandoning the poor afghan people like this .

What a tragic waste of time , resources and life the last 20 years have been .

Along with Iraq (which both Blair and Bush should pay for ) the way we've destabilised the whole region and the world in the process is nothing short of criminal

Where is the same western justice we applied to the middle east and its leaders

 

[Skybluefaz]

On a different subject, I'm appalled at the way the US and UK are abandoning the poor afghan people like this .

What a tragic waste of time , resources and life the last 20 years have been .

Along with Iraq (which both Blair and Bush should pay for ) the way we've destabilised the whole region and the world in the process is nothing short of criminal

Where is the same western justice we applied to the middle east and its leaders

Horrible to see them reverting to taliban rule after I believe yourself and others have given so much to make a difference to people's lives over there. Do you think us and the US should have kept permanent bases over there like have existed in Germany and Japan since the war?

There was a fella talking about this on 5 live the other day and its hard to see another way around it.

 

[Evo1883]

Horrible to see them reverting to taliban rule after I believe yourself and others have given so much to make a difference to people's lives over there. Do you think us and the US should have kept permanent bases over there like have existed in Germany and Japan since the war?

There was a fella talking about this on 5 live the other day and its hard to see another way around it.

Ultimately we should never have gone there ... but as we did we had to stay there in some capacity for the foreseeable

 

[Evo1883]

Sadly what may now happen is a new war on Afghanistan , international pressure may see to that

 

[wingy]

"David Skelton: Is a new form of snobbery reshaping British politics? - BBC News" Is a new form of snobbery reshaping Britain? - BBC News

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I mean if the course is engineering then that’s fine. The problem is treating social science as as solid as physical science IMO.

On my PhD I had to include proof that room temperature in the lab was what I said it was. On my PGCE I could make up quotes and evidence from students without any of it being verified.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You sound like someone who can’t explain what they’re on about so resorts to insults.

Gender is sex stereotypes. That’s what I’ve always been taught: boys have short hair, girls can’t throw, etc etc.

It says transgender people are people who’s gender isn’t the same as their sex. Which makes no sense so I assume they mean they don’t conform to sex stereotypes.

If you have a better description feel free to give it. I seriously doubt you have though.

You’ll be the third person in this thread to get get angry and abusive and be completely unable to answer basic questions about the ideology you’re getting angry about. It’s tiresome.

Sex is a biological certainty. Gender is a human construct that has become ingrained into our psyche.

The way forward isn't to start creating new constructs to fit people into, its to dismantle the constructs that already exists.

We're going to get nowhere until we realise gender doesn't actually exist and people should be free to act as they please regardless of what sex they are.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

When my old man went to Warwick University (old man is a Labour voter)
It certainly didn't sound like a well balanced place for reason and debate .

You either thought the same as they did or you were on your way off the course

It's very left wing

From my own experience I'd agree about uni not being a place for debate. On my course attempts to question what was being taught weren't welcomed or dismissed as you not being as clever as them. Plus as the lecturers were responsible for marking papers/work etc if you wanted to get a decent mark you had to basically agree with the way they thought. Some of the stuff I was questioning has since been debunked, like trickle-down economics.

I felt I was far more able to question stuff at GCSE and A level and differ from the norm but still get a decent mark as long as you could argue your point well. I didn't feel I got that at uni, which was disappointing.

But as I alluded too my degree was economics/accounts based and so the thinking behind it was not left wing at all.

Also look at a lot of people in the govt with degrees from unis. Johnson, JRM, Sunak, Cameron etc. Hardly left wing are they? I doubt those going to places like LSE are hotbeds of lefties.

So while I reckon there is probably a heavily entrenched mindset in certain areas that would be very left wing, I reckon there's just as many with entrenched right wing. It just depends on which area you're studying.

 

[shmmeee]

Sex is a biological certainty. Gender is a human construct that has become ingrained into our psyche.

The way forward isn't to start creating new constructs to fit people into, its to dismantle the constructs that already exists.

We're going to get nowhere until we realise gender doesn't actually exist and people should be free to act as they please regardless of what sex they are.

100%

The idea that we’re telling kids “if you don’t do X Y or Z you’re not a *real* boy/girl and are probably something else” is some regressive bullshit.

 

[stupot07]

So the PM is responding to very urgent international crisis of whats happening in Afghanistan by recalling Parliament on Wednesday....yes Wednesday....must be busy buying nappies

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[shmmeee]

On my PhD I had to include proof that room temperature in the lab was what I said it was. On my PGCE I could make up quotes and evidence from students without any of it being verified.

This.

That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in social sciences, but a recognition of the evidence base behind theories is needed.

Education is chock full of grifters and woo. The amount of arguments I had about “learning styles” and the lack of evidence for them.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

On a different subject, I'm appalled at the way the US and UK are abandoning the poor afghan people like this .

What a tragic waste of time , resources and life the last 20 years have been .

Along with Iraq (which both Blair and Bush should pay for ) the way we've destabilised the whole region and the world in the process is nothing short of criminal

Where is the same western justice we applied to the middle east and its leaders

It does make a mockery of all those that have served there, esp those that have died or had life-changing injuries.

I feel we and the US have been far too eager to get involved in other's disputes since WWII, driven largely by not wanting to let other ideologies like those of Russia and more recently China take hold but also including things like Islamic rule. But once we did get involved to leave in the manner we have is a poor choice and one which again I think we've made purely to follow what the US are doing.

Considering we've supposed to have been training Afghan forces for years, just how bad have we been at it considering how quickly the country has fallen to the Taliban? Either that or support for the Taliban and hard-line Islamic rule is far stronger than we'd like to think.

Looking forward, I think we'll see lots of sanctions and less economic ties with the country but sadly those don't tend to have much of an effect on the people in charge.

I hope we don't see pressure for another war because if so what was the point of the withdrawal? A few months after leaving going back in but almost from the original starting point and a lot more people will be killed.

 

[oakey]

It wasn't engineering , it was psychology he did his last 2 years at Warwick uni

I used to upset Psychology A level students when I called it a soft science.
It's data is too subjective IMO and it's success in treating very unwell patients very patchy at best.

 

[shmmeee]

I used to upset Psychology A level students when I called it a soft science.
It's data is too subjective IMO and it's success in treating very unwell patients very patchy at best.

There’s a massive replicability crisis in psychology. Stuff like “power poses” “implicit bias” “priming” “personality types” leaks into popular culture and business as fact when it’s based on one dodgy study no one can replicate.

 

[Evo1883]

I used to upset Psychology A level students when I called it a soft science.
It's data is too subjective IMO and it's success in treating very unwell patients very patchy at best.

My dad did it because it was something to keep him occupied whilst he stopped drinking alcohol ...true story

He got his degree

 

[Ian1779]

This.

That doesn’t mean there isn’t value in social sciences, but a recognition of the evidence base behind theories is needed.

Education is chock full of grifters and woo. The amount of arguments I had about “learning styles” and the lack of evidence for them.

Teaching right now is full of people peddling their ‘research’ and it’s the new fad.
I’m of a mind that if I have to read some, I’m going to look at the stuff done by the people still delivering in the classroom on a regular basis, rather than the person writing a book on teaching that hasn’t done it for 10 years.

 

[shmmeee]

Teaching right now is full of people peddling their ‘research’ and it’s the new fad.
I’m of a mind that if I have to read some, I’m going to look at the stuff done by the people still delivering in the classroom on a regular basis, rather than the person writing a book on teaching that hasn’t done it for 10 years.

Id rather sit and watch/speak to a teacher of 40 years from the school I’m in than read an “action research” paper by some 20 something on a fast track to SLT.

Having “multimodal semiotic analysis” flashbacks

 

[Grendel]

So the PM is responding to very urgent international crisis of whats happening in Afghanistan by recalling Parliament on Wednesday....yes Wednesday....must be busy buying nappies

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What should we do? Go back to war?

 

[shmmeee]

What should we do? Go back to war?

Letting any refugees in might be a good start.

 

[Sick Boy]

Letting any refugees in might be a good start.

Yeah, I wonder if those countries most involved are going to take them in?

 

[stupot07]

So the PM is responding to very urgent international crisis of whats happening in Afghanistan by recalling Parliament on Wednesday....yes Wednesday....must be busy buying nappies

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I was wrong. Hes on holiday. Ffs



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[shmmeee]

Yeah, I wonder if those countries most involved are going to take them in?

Not looking great

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, I wonder if those countries most involved are going to take them in?

doubt it

Six EU countries warn against open door for Afghan asylum seekers

Six EU member states have warned the bloc's executive against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers arriving in Europe despite major advances of Taliban militants in their country.

www.reuters.com

 

[Sick Boy]

doubt it

Six EU countries warn against open door for Afghan asylum seekers

Six EU member states have warned the bloc's executive against halting deportations of rejected Afghan asylum seekers arriving in Europe despite major advances of Taliban militants in their country.

www.reuters.com

Neither of the 2 countries which were most involved are in the EU.

 

[skybluetony176]

What should we do? Go back to war?

Recall for Monday? Last Monday even. It’s not like this problem has crept up overnight.

 

[COV]

Neither of the 2 countries which were most involved are in the EU.

And another country to add to the list of places ripped to shreds by them

 

[Grendel]

Neither of the 2 countries which were most involved are in the EU.

That’s a cop out. The Eu armed forces were involved at the outset and many deployed troops. In fact many increased their presence as part of NATO in higher percentages than the U.K.

 

[Sick Boy]

That’s a cop out. The Eu armed forces were involved at the outset and many deployed troops. In fact many increased their presence as part of NATO in higher percentages than the U.K.

So the USA invades the country and yet somehow it’s deflected onto the EU, wow.

 

[Grendel]

So the USA invades the country and yet somehow it’s deflected onto the EU, wow.

well no as you said the two main countries - and you included the U.K. - but it’s not true and the initial invasion after 9/11 was a coalition of many countries.
The us has a huge military personnel. I think you’d be surprised how many troops the Eu has deployed over the years

 

[skybluetony176]

That’s a cop out. The Eu armed forces were involved at the outset and many deployed troops. In fact many increased their presence as part of NATO in higher percentages than the U.K.

Wasn’t there only 2 invading forces and anyone that followed was part of a NATO piece keeping force?