Do you want to discuss boring politics? (210 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

My average GCSE class size was 34 last year, if you feel like pushing it nearer to 40, you do you. Classroom’s built for 30.

Won’t be my problem anymore but you need to create the capacity and staffing before taking more into the system.

Im saying:

a) to get an increase of 1 you’d need every school to close. This won’t happen
b) if it did then it wouldn’t be the straw that broke the camels back
c) If the problem is funding well each new kid comes with funding. If it’s staff well a school closed will release an equal number of staff.

But the fact is and I think you know, it’s a very very weak justification for not removing tax exemption status. Less a slippery slope argument and more butterfly effect.

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

It is but by the time Labour get in they’ll have been neglected for 15 years. I do think privately a lot of Labour MPs know that private schools are a necessary evil for them until the state sector is repaired.

They're not necessary at all and are one of the biggest factors in perpetuating inequality.

 

[shmmeee]

I just don’t see why we should allow a segment of society to exist in a ghetto that barely communicates with the outside world. People should integrate.

 

[Ian1779]

There shouldn’t be any tax breaks or VAT exemptions for private schools, but maybe let them crack on if for no other reasons than state education is so desperate for teachers, and we know if private schools shut down pretty much none of those staff will cross over to teach in state schools.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I believe a fair chunk of private school teachers aren't properly qualified to work in state schools, or they are simply maladjusted, conspiracy theorists, psychopaths, or nonces.......

 

[shmmeee]

I believe a fair chunk of private school teachers aren't properly qualified to work in state schools, or they are simply maladjusted, conspiracy theorists, psychopaths, or nonces.......

Or “old school” as they’re known.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Both countries take a more progressive approach to things full stop. Our state schools aren’t in a position to take on the extra numbers.

But if private schools were closed then the buildings and teachers would be available for state schools.

As others have said if private education can't survive paying the 20% VAT then it's a broken business model. Why should a select few get the benefit of not paying tax on what is a luxury while less privileged kids get next to nothing. Because the ones who decide are the politicans who came through that fucking system - they liked it as a closed shop.

Plus I agree about putting these privileged kids into the state system and see how much these parents suddenly care about state school funding.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But if private schools were closed then the buildings and teachers would be available for state schools.

As others have said if private education can't survive paying the 20% VAT then it's a broken business model. Why should a select few get the benefit of not paying tax on what is a luxury while less privileged kids get next to nothing. Because the ones who decide are the politicans who came through that fucking system - they liked it as a closed shop.

Plus I agree about putting these privileged kids into the state system and see how much these parents suddenly care about state school funding.

The teachers would probably leave education rather than work in state schools-there is usually a good reason why they didn’t do that in the first place. The debate could go on for some time. For me as someone who has been taught and then gone on to teach in all 3 contexts, and then left the profession, you need to fix state education first.

It is a pity that Sir Keir probably won’t do much to help beyond a bit of incrementalism. He also won’t revoke this VAT exemption either, most likely.

 

[shmmeee]

The teachers would probably leave education rather than work in state schools-there is usually a good reason why they didn’t do that in the first place. The debate could go on for some time. For me as someone who has been taught and then gone on to teach in all 3 contexts, and then left the profession, you need to fix state education first.

It is a pity that Sir Keir probably won’t do much to help beyond a bit of incrementalism. He also won’t revoke this VAT exemption either, most likely.

What if one of the ways to fix state education is to get it more money by taxing private?

 

[skybluejelly]

Whilst revoking the charitable status of private schools ,and making parents pay vat on fees seems to appease a lot of people on here , I think you also need to realise that private schools pay vat on all purchases but can not claim it back like other businesses can , they also do a lot for local schools and charities in the surrounding areas, if Labour do revoke the charitable status ,schools will also be able to claim back any vat paid on capital expenditure for the last ten years , it certainly won’t be a windfall for any government that decides to do it ,

Even if they do consider doing it can’t see it happening until at least a second term

 

[Grendel]

I believe a fair chunk of private school teachers aren't properly qualified to work in state schools, or they are simply maladjusted, conspiracy theorists, psychopaths, or nonces.......

@Brighton Sky Blue and @harvey098 who taught you Latin

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

@Brighton Sky Blue and @harvey098 who taught you Latin

I know who you are referring to and yes he was a very curious individual. Invited me round his house for dinner parties

 

[chiefdave]

Same shit, different company. How is this sort of thing legal? As is always the case those at the top will be just fine and those at the bottom are potentially screwed for the rest of their lives with a pension shortfall

Wilko paid out a total of £77 million to the owners and former shareholders of the stricken retail chain in the decade before its collapse.

These included a £3 million dividend last year, which was paid despite Wilko racking up losses of £39 million. A total of £3.2 million was doled out in 2018 when Wilko slid to a £65 million loss.

Wilko's failure has left the retirement fund with a multi-million pound shortfall and pensioners may end up with a reduced annual income for life. The scheme is likely to be bailed out by the Pension Protection Fund (PPF), the industry lifeboat. However, workers who have not yet retired could see their pensions reduced.

Wilko paid out £77m to owners before collapse

The chain, which fell into administration putting 12,000 jobs at risk, was controlled by descendants of the founder, James Kemsey Wilkinson.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Same shit, different company. How is this sort of thing legal? As is always the case those at the top will be just fine and those at the bottom are potentially screwed for the rest of their lives with a pension shortfall

Wilko paid out £77m to owners before collapse

The chain, which fell into administration putting 12,000 jobs at risk, was controlled by descendants of the founder, James Kemsey Wilkinson.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Xxxts

 

[fernandopartridge]

I know who you are referring to and yes he was a very curious individual. Invited me round his house for dinner parties

What bi curious?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

 

[shmmeee]

Gillian Keegan channeling her inner BSB here

https://x.com/gilliankeegan/status/1690630312978460672?s=46

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Gillian Keegan channeling her inner BSB here

https://x.com/gilliankeegan/status/1690630312978460672?s=46

Yes even a broken Keegan is right twice a day.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes even a broken Keegan is right twice a day.

Yeah I’m sure in that thread full of insanity she just happened to lick onto some sense there.

 

[Grendel]

What bi curious?

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

I don’t think he was ever curious about the female of the species

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Same shit, different company. How is this sort of thing legal? As is always the case those at the top will be just fine and those at the bottom are potentially screwed for the rest of their lives with a pension shortfall

Wilko paid out £77m to owners before collapse

The chain, which fell into administration putting 12,000 jobs at risk, was controlled by descendants of the founder, James Kemsey Wilkinson.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Just another reason to increase worker owned co-ops. At least then if they pay big dividends they're only fucking over themselves.

 

[Grendel]

C4 news is the best news program on TV bar none. You’ve also got the brilliant Despatches. Then you’ve got the comedy, Father Ted, Inbetweeners, Vic Reeves big night out etc etc. Countdown is a national treasure. Then there’s the film arm of it. The film’s its been involved with as a production company is astounding as demonstrated by its Oscar nominations, 11 at the last Oscars alone. Films such as 12 years a slave, three billboards… etc etc. over 100 nominations and over 30 wins. A record for a British company and a company that’s only 40 years old. It’s a bit of a phenomenon and it’s largely if not wholly down to the unique way it’s funded. It would be a crime to lose it over some far right hysterical and failing ideology.

I see you’ve mentioned being a fan of Father Ted rather a lot Tony - I’m surprised given your rather excitable involvement in the discussion on trans rights you are not up in arms at the banning of the writer and creator Graham Linehan from the fringe festival at the Edinburgh Festival

Mr Linehan has (in my view) been rather foolish to continue to confront and take on the baying trans movement but his initial comments were that only men are (gosh) men and women are (shock horror) women - he then made a joke about it - not very tasteful but hey that’s comedy - or clearly it isn’t

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Leith Arches = censorious pricks/cunts/other.

Here's hoping your funding and patronage shrivels like your audience.....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I see you’ve mentioned being a fan of Father Ted rather a lot Tony - I’m surprised given your rather excitable involvement in the discussion on trans rights you are not up in arms at the banning of the writer and creator Graham Linehan from the fringe festival at the Edinburgh Festival

Mr Linehan has (in my view) been rather foolish to continue to confront and take on the baying trans movement but his initial comments were that only men are (gosh) men and women are (shock horror) women - he then made a joke about it - not very tasteful but hey that’s comedy - or clearly it isn’t

Hope he doesn’t play chess

Transgender women banned from women's chess events

The ruling by the International Chess Federation is drawing criticism from some players.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[clint van damme]

Hope he doesn’t play chess

Transgender women banned from women's chess events

The ruling by the International Chess Federation is drawing criticism from some players.

www.bbc.co.uk

King and Queen gags incoming.

 

[clint van damme]

What's the point of this plank and his cronies?

Labour rows back workers’ rights pledge in latest U-turn

Commitments on precarious and gig economy workers refined by party leadership

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What's the point of this plank and his cronies?

Labour rows back workers’ rights pledge in latest U-turn

Commitments on precarious and gig economy workers refined by party leadership

www.independent.co.uk

You just don’t understand, he’s playing 4D chess so that he can enact left wing policies from the inside.

 

[shmmeee]

What's the point of this plank and his cronies?

Labour rows back workers’ rights pledge in latest U-turn

Commitments on precarious and gig economy workers refined by party leadership

www.independent.co.uk

Saw someone on Twitter say it’s like Man City parking the bus after going 2-0 against a Primary School team at this point.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Saw someone on Twitter say it’s like Man City parking the bus after going 2-0 against a Primary School team at this point.

Well it is if you think Starmer is the political equivalent of Pep. Though I will concede that Sunak might have the brains to manage Tiddlywinks Primary.

 

[shmmeee]

Well it is if you think Starmer is the political equivalent of Pep. Though I will concede that Sunak might have the brains to manage Tiddlywinks Primary.

More about political capital than leader skill. The country is so fucked and the government so unpopular that Labour could be much bolder.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

More about political capital than leader skill. The country is so fucked and the government so unpopular that Labour could be much bolder.

Just copy paste the 2017 manifesto and give Starmer the energy and passion of 2017 Corbyn.

 

[David O'Day]

They say it is not true and they will now set out in detail the legislation they will implement within the first 100 days.

 

[shmmeee]

Just copy paste the 2017 manifesto and give Starmer the energy and passion of 2017 Corbyn.

Maybe not quite the same energy.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So much to thank the Conservative and Unionist Party for in their time in government

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[CCFCSteve]

So much to thank the Conservative and Unionist Party for in their time in government

MSN

www.msn.com

New wife of SNP minister starts to support independence shocker

She told the event: “I certainly understand the case for independence much better than I did in the past. That’s not to say I didn’t appreciate the strength with which many people held that view in 2014.

“But now I’m surrounded by Nationalists – in a very good way – and we talk about these issues all the time.’

If they get divorced she’ll probably change her view back

 

[shmmeee]

I can never read Gillian Keegan’s name/face as Education Secretary. It always screams “dodgy TV nutritionalist”. This is apropos of absolutely nothing.