Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.
It would save money.
To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
You think we should execute a 14 year old ok thenWell another charming incident - possibly the worst yet - another failure of the social services system - and this delightful trio will possibly one day experience freedom again no doubt in the teenage nut jobs case with a new identity at tax payer expense
Logan Mwangi murder: Mum, stepdad and teen sentenced - BBC News
A judge says the attack on the "defenceless" Logan Mwangi was "nothing short of horrifying".www.bbc.co.uk
Median cost of a death penalty case in the US is $1.2m. You could keep someone in prison for almost 30 years for that.
It would save money.
To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
so that’s the issue you have with the death penalty?
Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.
Syria or China are better comparisons, sure.Why we compare the us I have no idea
Syria or China are better comparisons, sure.
Japan?
OK, we won’t use the $1.2m figure from the states, we’ll use the $2.4m figure from Japan.
Based on confessions where no lawyers are present and there's suspicion are extracted from people, you mean, with no recordings of said confessions? The Japan where a number stay on death row for over a decade (yes, cost)? The Japan where there's limited opportunity for a re-trial? The Japan where Amnesty International say " many of those facing the death penalty are innocent"?Japan?
Cost actually is irrelevant
All this nonsense about sterilising - he’s hardly seeing the light of day again - just save tax payer money and pass a law that allows a judge to pass the death penalty without any right to appeal the sentence only the crime
Based on confessions where no lawyers are present and there's suspicion are extracted from people, you mean? The Japan where a number stay on death row for over a decade? The Japan where there's limited opportunity for a re-trial? The Japan where Amnesty International say " many of those facing the death penalty are innocent"?
Still, they never got round to executing this chap, I suppose.
It was one of your main arguments in this thread not even a year ago
You’re almost psychotic when it comes to this stuffYou are always going to find anomalies but I’m sorry one thing I don’t believe is you’d ever want this individual ever being your next door neighbour and as that’s a one in a million chance it’s easy to say it’s someone else’s issue
Shut him in a cage for 70 years - is that humane?
well in this case it is cheaper isn’t it?
the cost issue is also spurious as it doesn’t include the health care afforded to the likes of the charming Mr Neilson
You’re almost psychotic when it comes to this stuff
Who cares? It’s irrelevant apparently.
Did you misspeak at the top?I think it’s psychotic to defend and allow individuals freedoms when denying others - Eric smith has a life now his 4 year old victim he brutally murdered hasn’t. I don’t see how it’s revenge
Many not caught at a young age who killed family members ended up committing multiple murders - Edmund Kemper I believe is an example of this
He won't be kept in for life though. He'll be free in five years time, given a new identity and the media banned from revealing who he is.It would save money.
To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
Rightly? In your opinion? Depends what he does I supposeHe won't be kept in for life though. He'll be free in five years time, given a new identity and the media banned from revealing who he is.
We’re soft and let criminals get away with it? They’ll be people genuinely who think that’s a bad thingWe haven’t executed someone as young as 14 since the mid 19th century. Why is that?
It's the 21st century. The death penalty should never, ever be brought back.
We’re soft and let criminals get away with it? They’ll be people genuinely who think that’s a bad thing
Rightly? In your opinion?
Very trueThere's no way of knowing. He could be a totally reformed character in five year's time or made worse by his experiences between now and then.
At some point in the future he could be living next door to a family with a small child and they would have no idea who he was unless something terrible happened.
You are Neil Gorsuch and I claim my $5.I think it should, but it should only be used for the worst crimes like swearing and blasphemy.
According to wikipedia, Alice Glaston was hanged at the age of 11 in Much Wenlock in 1546. Doesnt say what she did but it was speculated that it was for murder or witchcraft.When did we last execute a child?
We know life means probably 10 or so years for the 14 year old though that doesn’t seem enough, even for a woolly liberal like meLife sentence to match the one he handed out. Execution feels entirely wrong
We know life means probably 10 or so years for the 14 year old though that doesn’t seem enough, even for a woolly liberal like me
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