Otis
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Otis, tell him what you do for a job now...
much love
What's that got to do with it? :thinking about:
Otis, tell him what you do for a job now...
much love
So how can anyone be sure a takeover is still on course?
At the fans forum a few weeks ago Fisher said he would encourage fans to speak to him personally about the state of the club-would anyone know how we could actually do that?
No need for a phone kg, just a good old fashioned face to face talk! In all seriousness, if Fisher was being serious when he made that remark, I'd like to take him up on it.
i wish sisu wud stfu at least if they are gonna run the club like this
false promises on the day we get relegated dont help
add tim fisher to the knob list
It's not really a phone Brighton!
But yeah, I think you and a lot of people would take him up on the offer. What's the betting it was just an empty gesture though.
to summarise TF
Unless ACL and its shareholders give up income then there is no long term future to the club
TF was written a carefully worded piece to the CT applauding the "help" he is getting from Council and Charity and making it clear that it will be down to them now if the club fails.
TF also says income is the key but stops short of actually committing funds to team building even if income increases. Because there is unlikely to be any significant funds for team building then don't expect promotion.
TF also promotes JS as some sort of saviour of our club and suggests we should all be pulling the same way ....... so long as it is their way. Fans should trust and support them because they know what they are doing (£40m of underachieving and bad management suggests otherwise Tim)
my own closing thought ...........
Whilst I welcome communication .......... and the ongoing talks ........ do you not feel that these written press releases are designed to give ACL, Council & Charity no where to go other than where SISU want ?
If proposed new Trust could organise a Q and A session with Fisher and maybe council rep and Higgs Charity rep would people be interested in attending? Would have to be an evening and not during day like the one they did at Herbert gallery. No promises etc just gauging interest. No preselected questions or any such rollox - just a proper forum with the people deciding the future of OUR club.
Now on page 9 or 10 in this thread and noone has offered any real positive words, so I know I am a gate crasher to this bashing party.
Yet, in safe distance and using my monitor as a shield, I think I will offer an alternative view.
I read the interview before coming on this forum, so I really didn't have a biased expectation.
So after reading the interview carefully I have to say I was quite encouraged. TF addressed issues I have been pointing out over the last 1½ year:
The need to break-even to survive
The need to find new income streams
The need to address the FFP regulation
Those three issues are closely connected. We need higher revenues to both counter the continuing losses and to be able to have a competitive wage budget under the FFP regulations.
We need to break-even as only then we are an interesting candidate for any potential investors.
Lowering the rent will of course help towards reaching break-even, but won't help in having a copetitive wage budget under FFP. And a simple rent reduction is a tough one to swallow for the stadium owners. I have argued that over the last years interest rates have come down significantly and the Ricoh owners must have benefitted from this. At the very least some of their savings should benefit the club.
But I don't think that's what is on the agenda. I have a feeling they are looking for solution where the club gets a 33% ownership of the club. Not for free as some suggests, but paid by a new investment fund setup by sisu. This way all existing parties will retain a share of the fun and invitations to the VIP lounges. But more importantly, this will really establish the shared responsibility to turn around the clubs fortune.
OSB make some valid points about the clubs financial life in league one and suggests that even if we get some new revenues and a rent reduction, that won't be enough to stop the need for more sisu money to cover losses. I wonder if those calculations include the non-cashflow positions like player amortizations and asset depreciations?
I am warming to TF. He says the right things.
He may have said he would ask for a bounce back budget in the minutes after relegation was confirmed, but he has clearly been told by sisu, that break-even is priority no 1 and 'send-more-money' postcards will not even be read. That to me suggests that JS has now taken total control - and that is what has really changed over the last month.
Otis you asked what had changed since last Thursday!!! you cant then quantify it by trying to use a quote from weeks ago just bcos its in todays paper. :facepalm:No of course it doesnt, SISU want the stadium share, they will want it at a cut price and it was based on being the only show in town. The CT piece on the Chinese showed that was possibly not the case so the new angle becomes the football budget. The end game for SISU remains the same = cheap stadium purchase
Otis you asked what had changed since last Thursday!!! you cant then quantify it by trying to use a quote from weeks ago just bcos its in todays paper. :facepalm:
Now on page 9 or 10 in this thread and noone has offered any real positive words, so I know I am a gate crasher to this bashing party.
Yet, in safe distance and using my monitor as a shield, I think I will offer an alternative view.
I read the interview before coming on this forum, so I really didn't have a biased expectation.
So after reading the interview carefully I have to say I was quite encouraged. TF addressed issues I have been pointing out over the last 1½ year:
The need to break-even to survive
The need to find new income streams
The need to address the FFP regulation
Those three issues are closely connected. We need higher revenues to both counter the continuing losses and to be able to have a competitive wage budget under the FFP regulations.
We need to break-even as only then we are an interesting candidate for any potential investors.
Lowering the rent will of course help towards reaching break-even, but won't help in having a copetitive wage budget under FFP. And a simple rent reduction is a tough one to swallow for the stadium owners. I have argued that over the last years interest rates have come down significantly and the Ricoh owners must have benefitted from this. At the very least some of their savings should benefit the club.
But I don't think that's what is on the agenda. I have a feeling they are looking for solution where the club gets a 33% ownership of the club. Not for free as some suggests, but paid by a new investment fund setup by sisu. This way all existing parties will retain a share of the fun and invitations to the VIP lounges. But more importantly, this will really establish the shared responsibility to turn around the clubs fortune.
OSB make some valid points about the clubs financial life in league one and suggests that even if we get some new revenues and a rent reduction, that won't be enough to stop the need for more sisu money to cover losses. I wonder if those calculations include the non-cashflow positions like player amortizations and asset depreciations?
I am warming to TF. He says the right things.
He may have said he would ask for a bounce back budget in the minutes after relegation was confirmed, but he has clearly been told by sisu, that break-even is priority no 1 and 'send-more-money' postcards will not even be read. That to me suggests that JS has now taken total control - and that is what has really changed over the last month.
SISU and Fisher are saying this in public in the hope of getting the fans on the council's back to give them more leverage to obtain the stadium,:thinking about::thinking about: hopefully the fans or most of them will see through it and not fall for it !!
Again that was posturing bcos at the time it suited what people wanted to hear, do you not see that all SISU have been interested in is building a scenario where they get a share of the Ricoh on the cheapErrrm..... your post was
this is just yet more posturing to get a share in the ricoh, it doesn't change anything from where we were yesterday, last week or last month.
:thinking about:
You're saying that nothing has changed from as far back as last month and if you read Tim Fisher's comments they have changed from even 3 weeks ago.
What I see is another 10 years of mediocre football. RIP CCFC. If you think that's a positive then are you a fan? Because as a fan im not happy about what vibes are coming out of the club. If they have no money how can thy afford half the ground?