Agree, there are so many things they can do to make people feel connected.
It's alright talking in account speak and break even but what he should have done from the start is try and make it a community club like you say. Try and make the fans feel part of it, involved and wanted. If the same thing was done, but more transparent and communicated properly (and maybe even done by a new bloke rather than Fisher) then the outcome and feeling towards it could have been different.
He should be asking for the details of everybody on the phone in who said they wouldn't renew and phoning them all up. Look at places like Sky when you try and cancel the hoops they jump through to try and keep you.
It doesn't need multi million pound marketing budgets, it needs to think outside the box for a change to make people feel wanted which can cost nothing. If SISU are forcing CCFC to run at break even, then CCFC need to be trying to make the best of a shit situation.
Of course I'd love a rich new owner to come in and plough millions in, but being more realistic then if it is break even they need to have targets of making that figure higher and higher year on year.
Problem is it's toxic. A bit like selling timeshares in Chernobyl.
Gotta give the commercial people something to work with.
Does also go back to this point on little access to matchday and non-matchday revenues.
Is there anything in this Richard Keys thing??
Is there anything in this Richard Keys thing??
Nearly every year we look forward to a new manager and new players. A bit more than a year later we are in a crisis. We are told to look forward to a new manager and new players...... and so it goes on and will continue to do so until someone oneday offers Joy a heap of money for CCFC.
It costs nothing to plod along at plus minus nil. He is of course right and that would be great for a cardboard box factory, but CCFC is a sports club and should be competitive. The reality is that the fans will stop going and the club will continue downwards at plus minus nil for years and we will move on. But SISU don't have to realise their huge loss and therefore frighten off investors.
A totally different way of looking at things to that of a football fan.
That was a very old thread bumped up for no apparent reason.
The boycott is happening anyway. People have had enough. It does seem that break even is all. When Clive mentioned " even if this means playing in National North" he didn't disagree. I wish that Clive had pressed him on this. At what point would they then let the club go? When we drop out of the pyramid altogether, playing on a park pitch with one man and his dog watching?It hasn't worked and it never will.
The boycott is happening anyway. People have had enough. It does seem that break even is all. When Clive mentioned " even if this means playing in National North" he didn't disagree. I wish that Clive had pressed him on this. At what point would they then let the club go? When we drop out of the pyramid altogether, playing on a park pitch with one man and his dog watching?
i would agree with this.It isn't just commercial people though.
If it is already toxic they should be going out of their way to make things a bit better. Keep using the season ticket mess as an example, somebody gets an email or call saying to go to the ticket office to pick it up. If they get there and they have a little freebie and a smile to say sorry for the inconvenience then they are going to generally not be as pissed off. They could have made a mini event out of it and said "everybody waiting, come down between 4 and 8 for a surprise" and have a player there signing stuff.
That way people don't go home, go onto social media while things are already toxic as it then winds other people up and then it goes like a wave.
For example, look at when Juggy for a handwritten receipt. There was absolute outrage by so many people. If he had gone home and said "they had a player down there to meet us, gave me a cup of tea and a biscuit and a free ccfc badge or usb stick (something from china for less than a quid)" it would have been a completely different outcome.
That would have been 50 - 100 angry tweets gone, those 50 - 100 would be 400 - 500 likes and retweets, it would have stirred up and brewed.
I don't understand why he is at the club if he doesn't get paid and clearly doesn't enjoy it? He basically described himself as purely being a bean-counter, controlling the cash flow isn't difficult if that's his remit. He's concise when stating he hasn't taken a penny from 'the club' in 18 months and doesn't work for sisu, So what are his business interests and how is he benefiting from his Sisu relationship?
Yea and he's loving every fucking minute of it the smarmy twatI feel sorry for fisher in a way. It's not exactly his choice to do what he's doing with the low budget etc. He's doing what has been asked of him. It's just his job. Even if he did resign, the next guy would be doing the same
Haven't seen it but Keys was on TalkSport again today saying he knows people that would invest and basically rubbishing Fisher's earlier interview.Did people take that as a new rumour and start it up?
i would agree with this.
Customer service isn't complicated.
And as Fisher has referred to us several times today as "customers" rather than "supporters" something he should understand. One caller challenged him on this and rightly so.
I thought he was bang out of order when he said the club could get a £40k fine for last night and that would stop them buying a new centre back in January???
Which means Willis or Stevenson is going in the window, cheap shot that, he hates the cov fans that's clear after tonights debacle
"Joy employed me to help sell Prozone"
Tim Fisher, 2013
"I have never worked for SISU"
Tim Fisher, 2016
I thought he was bang out of order when he said the club could get a £40k fine for last night and that would stop them buying a new centre back in January???
Which means Willis or Stevenson is going in the window, cheap shot that, he hates the cov fans that's clear after tonights debacle
"Joy employed me to help sell Prozone"
Tim Fisher, 2013
"I have never worked for SISU"
Tim Fisher, 2016
Not sure why it is bang out of order, SISU aren't going to pay fines. People knew there would be fines and that the club would have to pay them.
Ive been saying that for ages. TM messed up the recruitment in the summer.
Villa got a £200k fine didn't they after fans went on after the game?Bet we don't get a fine......and if we do tough
I agree.
But if all TM could offer a player was 50% of what the player wants then they are going to say no. Not every player is going to be like Joe Cole taking huge pay cuts to play.
Also not exactly TM's level of football, not used to looking at non league for those gems, more like looking down to league one for some premier league gems.
The only way Tims plan will work is for some one to build a team like Bobby Gould did in the 80's out of non League players, but even that plan is floored as a good team needs a good spine of players first.
But if we have a good spine of players they will be sold as soon as somebody offers a penny more than we paid for them.
Not sure why it is bang out of order, SISU aren't going to pay fines. People knew there would be fines and that the club would have to pay them.
Pretty sure this was highlighted as a likely consequence on the pre match protest thread.IT happens though. Clubs always get fined for pitch invasions.
I agree.
But if all TM could offer a player was 50% of what the player wants then they are going to say no. Not every player is going to be like Joe Cole taking huge pay cuts to play.
Also not exactly TM's level of football, not used to looking at non league for those gems, more like looking down to league one for some premier league gems.
The only way Tims plan will work is for some one to build a team like Bobby Gould did in the 80's out of non League players, but even that plan is floored as a good team needs a good spine of players first.
But if we have a good spine of players they will be sold as soon as somebody offers a penny more than we paid for them.
Pretty sure this was highlighted as a likely consequence on the pre match protest thread.
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Villa got a £200k fine didn't they after fans went on after the game?
You can't say tough and then moan it's out of order. SISU won't get the fine, CCFC will.
But Sisu aren't interested in the football club are they? It was only ever a vehicle for their property ambitions and due to their greed and stupidity, those ambitions are done for. All that's left is to asset strip the training ground and liquidate the club. That's what they are now doing and Fisher's job is to pretend otherwise until the job's done. This is how hedge funds behave and I don't know why anyone expects anything else.It doesn't cost a fortune to treat people as humans though. Like in the thread the other day, its the little things that sometimes count and go from there.
You could have a bloke dressed as sky blue sam on minimum wage in west orchards / gallagher over christmas when its busy handing out family ticket for £20 vouchers that jsbs get in return for signing up to the ccfc newsletter.
It's just about interacting with fans and potential fans.
Look at the season ticket mess, they could have kept the anger right down if they handled it properly.
Instead of "you will need to come and collect it", it should be "We are really sorry for this, if you come down to the ticket we will have a cup of tea while you wait and a free ccfc usb memory stick to say sorry". People then dont think its as bad, people dont take to social media to go mad. It may actually make CCFC look a bit better.
Yes, the little gestures won't fix the mess but it's a start isn't it?
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