Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (20 Viewers)

[Deleted member 9744]

In NI it began very similarly to how it’s beginning here, and the justifications for the violence were equally similar.

The army being called in was a mistake because it wasn’t seen as a neutral arbiter and because the soldiers were trained for warzones instead of civilian riots. Which led more often than not to the state killing its own citizens.

You can’t look at the one time in recent history we used the army in this way and completely dismiss it. If a soldier shoots dead someone from either side it will get much worse.

Yes this calls for cool heads not a ridiculous knee jerk reaction which would just inflame the situation. (Btw that's what Israel needed after the Hamas attacks rather than the overreaction).

 

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[Otis]

how naive are you

lbc reporter



Sky news chased out



Or this fake too?

I think there is enough of his face showing there to track him down.

 

[chiefdave]

Or this fake too?

I have questions about the efficiency of a knife if you can slash a tyre with it and do no damage

 

[djr8369]

The army are not trained to deal with this kind of shit. They're trained to shoot to kill, call in artillery, drive tanks, march in tight formation, etc. etc.. They've got no powers of arrest, beyond those that you and I have.

The country isn't in flames, it's grim, but it's not that grim. Adding high powered rifles and nervous squaddies into the mix would not end well.

Absolutely agree

 

[Nick]

No these are clearly genuine and from trusted sources. It’s the ones from dodgy accounts people are questioning.

And I'm asking how many videos from the weekend when it was mainly white people being cunts were questioned by people worried about bots?

 

[MalcSB]

Are you stupid. Both me and stupot said we were looking at the roundabout video

I've commented on the prick with a weapon since.

Sorry do I have to be in the Asians side because I'm brown? Have I disappointed you?

No, I’m not stupid. Your post was two posts after Saddlebrains post showing brown people attacking cars. You weren’t clear to what you were referring - I was very clear what I was referencing your comments to.

I didn’t see any weapons in the roundabout video either btw. Until now I didn’t know the colour of your skin which is immaterial to me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes this calls for cool heads not a ridiculous knee jerk reaction which would just inflame the situation. (Btw that's what Israel needed after the Hamas attacks rather than the overreaction).

It needs influential figures on both sides to call for people to stop.

 

[Nick]

I clearly said I don't deny the footage.

Its the wording.

Said that now until I am blue in the face.

The taglines and headlines. To fire and rile people up further.

The thing is though, people are just talking about the footage. Evo even put a disclaimer that he was just posting footage and had no idea who the posters were.

 

[Boicey]

And I'm asking how many videos from the weekend when it was mainly white people being cunts were questioned by people worried about bots?

Whatabout the white people videos, right?
Nuts.

 

[djr8369]

Were they all from news sources, then?

It was literally sky news posting that they were chased out and posted footage.

Its pretty obvious really.

White man punches black man walking up the road - disgusting racist attack

Muslim men attack cars with white people, Muslim men stamp on somebody's head and call them a white c**t, Muslim men storm a pub and stamp on somebody - it's being posted by bots, it's not official media outlets, wait and see.

Not sure what is so scary about saying they are both disgusting, race attacks.

Think I replied to the pub one saying it was horrific. People are just saying being wary of dodgy accounts, that’s all. There’s clearly Muslim gangs out, is anyone disputing that? Just be suspicious of some of these accounts flaming tensions. That’s it. It’s not some conspiracy to say Muslims can do no wrong.

 

[Diogenes]

Don't believe everything you see or hear

WMD anyone?

I wouldn't believe everything the intelligence service says without some hard evidence.

 

[Nick]

Wow , can we not just agree that it is wrong whichever side you wish to blame ?
Please some of you just stop , the point scoring is just as divisive as what is being played out across the country .

Stop this world , I want to get off

If only people weren't petrified to say it's wrong for all the people kicking off.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Were they all from news sources, then?

It was literally sky news posting that they were chased out and posted footage.

Its pretty obvious really.

White man punches black man walking up the road - disgusting racist attack

Muslim men attack cars with white people, Muslim men stamp on somebody's head and call them a white c**t, Muslim men storm a pub and stamp on somebody - it's being posted by bots, it's not official media outlets, wait and see.

Not sure what is so scary about saying they are both disgusting, race attacks.

I love how the only thing you mention that the “white man” has done is punch a black man and ignore them setting fire to 2 hotels full of migrants, dragging minorities out of cars, jumping minorities and only letting white people pass in cars.

but for the Muslim negatives you’ve bought out the entire rap sheet.

 

[MalcSB]

I clearly said I don't deny the footage.

Its the wording.

Said that now until I am blue in the face.

The taglines and headlines. To fire and rile people up further.

Does the wording really matter? The video is pretty damning.

Presumably the attacked driver would have been able to use the self defence argument had he knocked someone down and hurt them as he/ she/ they made their escape.

 

[djr8369]

And I'm asking how many videos from the weekend when it was mainly white people being cunts were questioned by people worried about bots?

I’ve no idea Nick, nor do I care.

 

[Nick]

Think I replied to the pub one saying it was horrific. People are just saying being wary of dodgy accounts, that’s all. There’s clearly Muslim gangs out, is anyone disputing that? Just be suspicious of some of these accounts flaming tensions. That’s it. It’s not some conspiracy to say Muslims can do no wrong.

Yeah but why are people only wary of dodgy accounts now?

 

[Diogenes]

No-one is saying these videos are fake

Do you think the security services are lying when they say Russia and Iran are flooding the internet with bots, stirring things up and inflaming things?

That is what I am on about.

I am saying don't just believe everything you see and hear.

The security services and those with vested interests lie all the time when it comes to these countries.

According to them, Russia Iran and China are responsible for literally everything that happens in the UK.

 

[djr8369]

It needs influential figures on both sides to call for people to stop.

Would the message get through to those involved?

 

[Nick]

I love how the only thing you mention that the “white man” has done is punch a black man and ignore them setting fire to 2 hotels full of migrants, dragging minorities out of cars, jumping minorities and only letting white people pass in cars.

but for the Muslim negatives you’ve bought out the entire rap sheet.

Because I was comparing people being attacked on video and people being stopped in cars. Have a look at what I said about the white people stopping cars or punching people because of the computer of their skin.

I used those examples because the same thing has happened, just perpetrators and victims switched.

Strangely now it's all fake news from bots.

 

[MalcSB]

it's mad that people don't understand police tactics when dealing large groups of potentially argo people

they stand back as much as possible, video and kick doors down later.

we have all send this happen at the football for example

so no protection of persons or property. happy to arrest murderers the next day if someone dies?

 

[djr8369]

Yeah but why are people only wary of dodgy accounts now?

Because the videos are being shared by dodgy accounts?

 

[David O'Day]

There's some fella on the Stoke game thread posting with out any proof that "2 white lads stabbed in Bordesley".

Disinformation can get people hurt.

 

[djr8369]

so no protection of persons or property. happy to arrest murderers the next day if someone dies?

Arrests to tend to take place after a crime as occurred.

 

[Nick]

I’ve no idea Nick, nor do I care.

Funny that people are only fussed about bot videos for particular things.

 

[wingy]

What am I diverting, exactly?

Yeah but why are people only wary of dodgy accounts now?

They haven't wanted to say is
My guess!
They might be scared who they find,more tomorrow night from ITV!

 

[Otis]

You're a nice bloke, but fuck me you're daft.

Why?

You seriously telling me someone won't know who he is from that footage?

People will quite clearly be able to identify him






That's pretty clear and a good part of his face.

More than enough there without any doubt

Bet they get him

 

[GIMOC]

There's some fella on the Stoke game thread posting with out any proof that "2 white lads stabbed in Bordesley".

Disinformation can get people hurt.

people have been hurt

 

[Nick]

people have been hurt

That's not stabbed though. Its just rumour and if false just unhelpful.

 

[Otis]

Yeah but why are people only wary of dodgy accounts now?

Nick, I have told you now at least four times, the security services said Iran and Russia were involved.

It was stated 4 days ago in the US and reported 2 days ago here in the UK.

AFTER last week

And obviously bots want to fire up anti immigration mindsets.

 

[GIMOC]

That's not stabbed though. It’s just rumour and if false just unhelpful.

I’m showing that people have been hurt already

I doubt anyone been stabbed. otherwise it would be on the news or over the internet

 

[GIMOC]

Like they caught that lad from the hit and run on Radford Road?!

he will never be caught. He’ll be long gone now

 

[wingy]

people have been hurt

Nick this is getting like Twitter and you are Elon, think about that!

 

[David O'Day]

people have been hurt

can you read? I said stabbed which hasn't happened

 

[GIMOC]

Nick this is getting like Twitter and you are Elon, think about that!

This is the issue.

you might not like what you see but doesn’t mean people can’t show it or talk about

that’s what fascists do

 

[GIMOC]

can you read? I said stabbed which hasn't happened

you said disinformation might get people hurt

I pointed out people have already been hurt tonight regardless of shitty rumours