As I've said, what do you expect /want Israel to do when they are still under attack?Yes, yes you are.
By your own words you said that the argument that the response is not proportional doesn't stand up ergo you are saying the response was proportional and thus justified.
Your words
"There's an argument that the response was not proportionate, or lead to more suffering of innocent people, but that argument doesn't stand up well when you consider Hamas have fired 150 missiles into Israel in the last 24 hrs."
The country founded for people escaping genocide now on the edge of carrying out a genocide of its own not even a century later. There is zero justification.No I'm not, it's a shit show and more innocents will get killed. I categorically do not want to see that.
What I'm explaining is why Israel feels justified in their actions.
That doesn't mean the response is correct or proportional. But I don't see how the UN or anyone else can stop what is happening.
Not fire into civilian areas and not try to hold 2 million people hostage without food, power or waterThere are still rockets being fired by Hamas into Israel.
What (in your opinion) should Israel do? Genuine question.
So what's your solution to a state that's under attack from a terrorist organisation?The country founded for people escaping genocide now on the edge of carrying out a genocide of its own not even a century later. There is zero justification.
I expect Israel to not target civilians or kidsAs I've said, what do you expect /want Israel to do when they are still under attack?
Of course they are going to fire back.
My guess is that won't stop until the incoming rockets stop.
Yes it's a fucking shit show, but that's where we are at.
So what's your solution to a state that's under attack from a terrorist organisation?
Again I'm genuinely interested in your answer, everyone's apauled, but no one has an answer.
What's your solution?By your stupid logic the UK should have carpet bombed Ireland during the troubles
What's your solution?
The only way they can do that is to evacuate the local population and launch a land invasion, as Hamas exists in civilian areas, and is highly organised and mobile which is why they are so effective, they are also taking hostages to use as human shields.I expect Israel to not target civilians or kids
Is that such a big ask?
A quick reminder that Hamas have spent 2 years planning this so will have plans to respond to the obvious response.
There are still rockets being fired by Hamas into Israel.
What (in your opinion) should Israel do? Genuine question
There need to be talks held over a two state solution where Israel ends its illegal occupation of the West Bank, recognises the Palestinian state, and lifts the Gaza blockade. In exchange Hamas need to hand over their arms stockpile and dissolve the tunnel network.So what's your solution to a state that's under attack from a terrorist organisation?
Again I'm genuinely interested in your answer, everyone's apauled, but no one has an answer.
The only way they can do that is to evacuate the local population and launch a land invasion, as Hamas exists in civilian areas, and is highly organised and mobile which is why they are so effective, they are also taking hostages to use as human shields.
Unfortunately I can't see an alternative.
Saying it shouldn't happen is easy, but what's the alternative solution?
I hear what you say, but the genocide isn't the reason, that would just unite the Muslim world to attack Israel, and lead to massive escalation that Israel wouldn't want.Others on the thread have explained it. Israel has a very advanced military capability, it is able to target Hamas far more discriminately. The reason it isn't doing so is genocide against a Muslim population and / or an opportunist land grab.
Let’s start with an immediate ceasefire, and get those hostages released.What's your solution?
Agreed, at last someone with a possible solution!!!There need to be talks held over a two state solution where Israel ends its illegal occupation of the West Bank, recognises the Palestinian state, and lifts the Gaza blockade. In exchange Hamas need to hand over their arms stockpile and dissolve the tunnel network.
Something similar to the NI peace process really.
Let’s start with an immediate ceasefire, and get those hostages released.
That's a good start.Let’s start with an immediate ceasefire, and get those hostages released.
Netanyahu has to be replaced, he's as bad as Hamas.I'm not sure Hamas would do it, they seem to be as up for this shit show as Netanyahu
Good, take your ball and fuck off, bellend.
I thought football should stick to football, that's what they said before when footballers tried to take a stand
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I would say that it's been pretty much universal rational responses to be honest.That's a good start.
We're getting common sense proposals now rather than the mundane outrage and name calling that usually happens on sbt.
ExactlyNo I'm not, it's a shit show and more innocents will get killed. I categorically do not want to see that.
What I'm explaining is why Israel feels justified in their actions.
That doesn't mean the response is correct or proportional. But I don't see how the UN or anyone else can stop what is happening.
There isn’t one currentlyIsrael responded to the attack on the music festival which was the action that started this latest round of military action.
As I've said, I'm not saying the action was proportional, but apart from most people agreeing that it's another humanitarian shit show, I've yet to hear of a workable solution that leads to a ceasefire/ lasting peace.
We can stop them, international pressure will lead to a ceasefire and then an international force to maintain order and funding to help the non terrorist palestinian authorities such as Fatah build infrastructure with a view to implementing a 2 state solutionThere isn’t one currently
We would be good to admit and accept that
We shouldn’t be goading them on and cheering their actions but we can’t stop them
What I’m proposing will be a lot less likely to make happen if Israel go in and commit a mass slaughter in under 24 hours. The US need to put pressure on Israel to come to the table, whoever’s backing Hamas to do the same from their side.Agreed, at last someone with a possible solution!!!
Eventually this will have to happen, but how many will die before the inevitable treaty happens?
And How the fuck we can get these 2 sides round the table is another question.
Interestingly it appears that Israel has held off ( so far) from launching the all out land assault that was thought to be imminent.What I’m proposing will be a lot less likely to make happen if Israel go in and commit a mass slaughter in under 24 hours. The US need to put pressure on Israel to come to the table, whoever’s backing Hamas to do the same from their side.
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