No I think you only get landed on for picking one side, which very few people in this thread have.
The vast majority have criticised atrocities from both sides.
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No I think you only get landed on for picking one side, which very few people in this thread have.
The vast majority have criticised atrocities from both sides.
I agree mostly in what you are saying PVA, however you can't always criticise both sides in an individual post you are answering too. I do believe there are atrocities on both sides and don't want to get into who's lying the most with some people on here. My thoughts align with SBP and many more that the innocents are the ones we should feel for.
David O'Day
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I noticed Kieran called me a Hamas sympathiser being dubious over Israel and it's claims to have not attacked the hospital
I shouldn't have to put this on record as it is a given but:
Fuck Hamas, Fuck Islamic Jihad and fuck any offshoots of them. They are a stain on the Palestinian people and a danger to them but collective punishment and actions that lead to the deaths of so many innocent civilians will only in the long run strengthen Hamas. In the long run the vast majority of people in Palestine want to live in peace but each innocent person who dies has family and friends and their deaths breed anger and resentment which is the greatest recruitment tool Hamas could ask for. You can't beat terrorism with overwhelming fire, as we realised in NI how do you wage a military campaign against someone who "only has to be lucky once"?
The best and only solution is to work to improve the infrastructure for normal people in both Gaza and The West Bank and work towards a proper and lasting 2 state solution.
I shouldn't have to put this on record as it is a given but:
Fuck Hamas, Fuck Islamic Jihad and fuck any offshoots of them. They are a stain on the Palestinian people and a danger to them but collective punishment and actions that lead to the deaths of so many innocent civilians will only in the long run strengthen Hamas. In the long run the vast majority of people in Palestine want to live in peace but each innocent person who dies has family and friends and their deaths breed anger and resentment which is the greatest recruitment tool Hamas could ask for. You can't beat terrorism with overwhelming fire, as we realised in NI how do you wage a military campaign against someone who "only has to be lucky once"?
The best and only solution is to work to improve the infrastructure for normal people in both Gaza and The West Bank and work towards a proper and lasting 2 state solution.
David O'Day
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Anyway does anyone else feel that if Israel had proper evidence that it was Hamas who blew up the hospital they would have released it by now instead of peddling discredited audio recordings.
Saddlebrains
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I reckon we will win 2-1 anyway
TomRad85
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Israel Zuniga and Gustavo Hamas with the goals
Saddlebrains
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Sky Blue Pete
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Cos they’re children
NortonSkyBlue
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It would make no difference to my thinking. This is two sides hell bent on a collision course decades in the making and not one of them is blameless. Both poke a stick at each other and as you said previously i am sure that the people of Palestine want peace and so do the Israeli population, if not their government.
It is time for different thinking and creative solutions which shouldn’t be beyond those that seek peace rather than war.
Gynnsthetonic
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The was a ridiculous comment, guy thinks he's playing call of duty with his grandkids
Otis
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Comes across as very amateurish and undiplomatic.
Otis
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I thought that was the start of a Bernard manning gag for a second Pete
Joking apart it’s refreshing and somewhat reassuring and how it should be
Of course you’d hope most sane people would want a ceasefire but to what end…do the hostages get released, what next etc etc. it’s the problem with pollsters questions sometimes, very black and white
I’ve got so many questions on both sides I steer clear of posting. Some interesting posts though, the most useful for me was the Rory Stewart/Alistair Campbell podcast (posted by Tony I think).
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But manage the most controversial post of all time, that Tony has posted something informative!
fernandopartridge
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This doesn't look like the words of somebody who might have bombed a hospital
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I was surprised Brexit didn’t get blamed to be honest (sorry Tony couldn’t resist
) and it did pain me to watch something.with Campbell in but was a good/informative, hopefully unbiased watch
Otis
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Who is he?This doesn't look like the words of somebody who might have bombed a hospital
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fernandopartridge
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Minister of National Security for Israel, a hard right winger
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skybluetony176
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Seems to me the sensible approach would be a ceasefire and full return to aid deliveries (hearing on the radio today that a handful of aid lorries were allowed in through the Egyptian border post, which sounds good but then they said that in “normal” times 200 lorries of aid a day go through the Egyptian border crossing) in exchange for the hostages. It’s a win win for Israel, either they get their people back or if Hamas refuses it adds to the Hamas are the bad guys we’re sending the ground forces in.
Ultimately though the only chance of longer piece involves willing parties and a return to the Oslo Accords.
Houchens Head
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Just want to leave this here. My thoughts.....
Grendel
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You have said you are pro Hamas
Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
Where?
Grendel
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Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me That’s correct isn’t it? It might be, but Mr Netanyahu famously threatened 'war' against New Zealand for...
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Houchens Head
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The question was "Who's backing Hammas"? I said 'me', because I hate oppression in any form. And if Hammas can help give back to Palestine what rightly belongs to them, then I support their ideals. I don't support innocent civilians being killed, just as my grandad was in the Coventry blitz, but like I said, I support anybody and any country that fights oppression of their lands.Israel - Palestinian Conflict
Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me That’s correct isn’t it? It might be, but Mr Netanyahu famously threatened 'war' against New Zealand for...
Grendel
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You’ve also opposed the uk defending the Falkland Islands against Argentina
Houchens Head
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And why not? Why does the UK want to own a few small islands just off Argentina? How would you feel if say, the Hebrides or Shetands etc were invaded and taken over by another country? Oh, and by the way, do you fancy me? You seem to follow and save every post I've ever placed. Sorry Grendull but I'm straight. However, I have a good mate who's looking for a nice boy! I'll let him know he can follow you on here.
Como
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Well 300 miles, just off would be like the Isle of Wight. Or the Isle of Man. Plus of course they have no valid claim. Or to put it another way Coventry to Paris.
Como
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As everyone else is making suggestions:
1, Release Hostages
2. Allow Humanitarian Convoys in
3. Ceasefire
4. UN to send in a Peacekeeping Force
5. United Nations War Crimes Commission (UNWCC) - has precedence for similar situation
6. Free and fair elections for Palestinians.
7. Egypt to open its Border
8. Now not expecting this to be quick but hopefully a gradual improvement in relations between a new democratic Palestinian State and Israel.
Similar sort of deal on the West Bank, probably a 3 State solution. Not sure why Gaza and the West Bank should be connected. Maybe some sort of Federation but they seem to have very different politics.
1, Release Hostages
2. Allow Humanitarian Convoys in
3. Ceasefire
4. UN to send in a Peacekeeping Force
5. United Nations War Crimes Commission (UNWCC) - has precedence for similar situation
6. Free and fair elections for Palestinians.
7. Egypt to open its Border
8. Now not expecting this to be quick but hopefully a gradual improvement in relations between a new democratic Palestinian State and Israel.
Similar sort of deal on the West Bank, probably a 3 State solution. Not sure why Gaza and the West Bank should be connected. Maybe some sort of Federation but they seem to have very different politics.
clint van damme
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Fucking hell.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The small missing detail is that the Falklanders do not want to be governed by Argentina.
clint van damme
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Saudis issue statement criticising Israel for allowing Qatari money to reach Hamas.
It's come from Saudi so who knows if its true but I suspect it is.
It's come from Saudi so who knows if its true but I suspect it is.
duffer
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Good Lord man, find someone who hasn't called out the atrocities committed by Hamas (or other Islamic terrorists. You are despising something that exists entirely in your own head - you're literally making it up.
What people are saying about Israel isn't that it doesn't have the right to defend itself, it's that it is taking it too far. In effect, it is punishing the whole population of Gaza, for the actions of Hamas. It is literally killing innocent men, women and children, by denying water, power, and medical supplies to 2.3 million people.
Saying that people die in wars is trite and pointless - deliberately targeting civilians in this way is something that many if not most people aren't willing to accept.
This isn't difficult to understand, unless you're being deliberately obtuse.