Lampard red card (1 Viewer)

[Johhny Blue]

He's clearly offside. Debatable that the defender is playing him on, but even if he is, he's the only 1 player that is as he's further advanced than the keeper. I love how passionately people wear their sky blue tinted glasses, but I've said it a thousand times and it's a FACT, he was offside. Man utd at Wembley on the other hand

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“Playing him on” is not debatable as he was blocking a shot on goal

 

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[Hobo]

Haji Wright was off side v Burnley, Ref and Linesman, mainly the Linesman dropped a clanger.

 

[shmmeee]

Haji Wright was off side v Burnley, Ref and Linesman, mainly the Linesman dropped a clanger.

Think that’s harsh it was a pretty close call with a ricocheting ball.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He doesn't, but penalties are often saved or missed (there is a difference in my book) and not a given goal, just a given opportunity.

1 in 5

 

[steve cooper]

Haji Wright was off side v Burnley, Ref and Linesman, mainly the Linesman dropped a clanger.

A keeper is nearly always on the goal line unless coming out to claim the ball, in which case the ball has already been played, so I think maybe the linesman was just concentrating on the last defender and mentally ignored the keeper.
You can see from post 100 that it's poor defending because the keeper is trying to cover off a shot from EMC, and also the cross to Allen (I think it is). At this stage Haji is not a threat unless he is played on (which he was). Looking at it on stills is one thing but in real time ....

 

[Grendel]

A keeper is nearly always on the goal line unless coming out to claim the ball, in which case the ball has already been played, so I think maybe the linesman was just concentrating on the last defender and mentally ignored the keeper.
You can see from post 100 that it's poor defending because the keeper is trying to cover off a shot from EMC, and also the cross to Allen (I think it is). At this stage Haji is not a threat unless he is played on (which he was). Looking at it on stills is one thing but in real time ....

I was at the other side of the ground and i expected the flag to go up - amazed when it didn't

 

[rob9872]

A keeper is nearly always on the goal line unless coming out to claim the ball

.... erm

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Haji Wright was off side v Burnley, Ref and Linesman, mainly the Linesman dropped a clanger.

Well you know what they say, these things even themselves out over a season.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Depends on the wording of the criticism.

Ok what words would you use to describe his performance?

 

[Hobo]

Ok what words would you use to describe his performance?

Before I retired at work the saying was you may not respect the person but respect the position they hold.

It is not a criticism of the way FL reacted. More a criticism of how our fans have reacted to FL's red. FL will have a choice, plead his innocence or take it on the chin. I suspect he will take it on the chin.

The ref didn't manage the game well and it unravelled for him. But it was a difficult game to manage as both teams were at it. OK Burnley maybe more than us. He made mistakes but also got a lot right, although both teams and fans will contest that.

One of the problems was both teams were doing stuff off the ball

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Before I retired at work the saying was you may not respect the person but respect the position they hold.

It is not a criticism of the way FL reacted. More a criticism of how our fans have reacted to FL's red. FL will have a choice, plead his innocence or take it on the chin. I suspect he will take it on the chin.

The ref didn't manage the game well and it unravelled for him. But it was a difficult game to manage as both teams were at it. OK Burnley maybe more than us. He made mistakes but also got a lot right, although both teams and fans will contest that.

One of the problems was both teams were doing stuff off the ball

Who

 

[Hobo]

Who

We committed lots of fouls

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We committed lots of fouls

Fouls are fine and part of the game
Diving
Feigning injury
Are not

 

[edgy]

Has there been any official statement on what ban Lampard has?

 

[Nick]

Has there been any official statement on what ban Lampard has?

Can we appeal it like a player one?

 

[SBAndy]

Can we appeal it like a player one?

On what grounds? “The ref was actually shit so it doesn’t count”?

 

[Nick]

On what grounds? “The ref was actually shit so it doesn’t count”?

Shouldn't get in trouble for being honest and telling the truth.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On what grounds? “The ref was actually shit so it doesn’t count”?

Well I’d expect a red if he used threatening or abusive language. If he were simply just critical, a yellow perhaps but a red is OTT.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

The whole debate depends on what was said. Considering we haven’t appealed and taken the one game assume it wasn’t worth it

 

[Captain Dart]

Has there been any official statement on what ban Lampard has?

Cov Telegraph said tonights match only.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

It would make a bigger statement if he walked up to them and refused to shake their hands.

 

[chiefdave]

On what grounds? “The ref was actually shit so it doesn’t count”?

Should try it, ask for a hearing where they have to explain how what Lampard said wasn't true!

 

[Hobo]

Shouldn't get in trouble for being honest and telling the truth.

Were you on Lampard's shoulder, you haven't got a clue what was said.

 

[skyblueelephant76]

Cov Telegraph said tonights match only.

Useless as always

 

[shmmeee]

Torp in for Allen. Thought it might be.

 

[wingy]

Get back on the job please Frank!
And motivate the players please.
Stop with this experiment and get them playing the brand of football we all know!

 

[Lamps]

Well we'll have to agree to differ, but politely, you're completely ignoring the control element here.

Their player isn't in any position to be in control of the ball, and that's the key part of deliberately played. It's an attempted save, there's nothing else he can do from the position he's in, he's just trying to stop the ball from going in the goal which is the definition of a save.

If the goalie goes to make a save in exactly that position, and the ball bounces off him and to Wright in an offside position, is Wright offside?

That's exactly what happens on a regular basis with players following in on shots, and of course it's almost always offside.

Anyhow - we differ, and it's not a big deal. Fair enough, I'll shut up now.

If an outfield player stops a shot it is a block and not a save. If a GK stops a shot it is a save.

If a defender blocks a shot and intended to block a shot and then the ball goes to an opponent the player isn't offside. It is down to how the ref interprets the play.

 

[Hobo]

If an outfield player stops a shot it is a block and not a save. If a GK stops a shot it is a save.

If a defender blocks a shot and intended to block a shot and then the ball goes to an opponent the player isn't offside. It is down to how the ref interprets the play.

Do you know the rules ? Asking for a Ref

 

[Lamps]

Do you know the rules ? Asking for a Ref

Yes. We went through the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Some people just don't understand the rule.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Telegraph article confirming Lampard’s not appealing it and he expects to be out for Hull.

 

[duffer]

Yes. We went through the same thing a couple of weeks ago. Some people just don't understand the rule.

Screenshot from IFAB below, going through almost exactly this scenario.

Just for complete clarity, the defending player here is the the one on his knees attempting to stop EMC's shot from going into the goal, the offside player is Wright.

In the rules, as far as I can see it, this is a 'save', defined by IFAB as "An action by a player to stop or attempt to stop the ball when it is going into or very close to the goal using any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless a goalkeeper within their own penalty area)".

Now you could argue that it was 'deliberate play' rather than a save, but in the rules that can only occur if the player has 'control' of the ball. That's very debatable given the pace the ball was struck at, the distance of the defender from the ball, and the fact that he wasn't on his feet when it hit him.

Without control, it cannot be deliberate play. If it's not deliberate play, a player in an offside position who receives the ball, is offside.

Now you're absolutely entitled to an opinion on it, and I enjoy the debate, but politely, you're not the sole arbiter of facts here. If you want to break down which bit of the rules here people (including me) don't understand, then please do.

It's not as much fun as pulling apart a judicial review bundle, but in the absence of SISU, and with no footy until Monday, it'll have to do.

(My actual solution to all this btw, make offside, offside, and do away with all this active/passive deliberate play/save bollocks. Dinosaur, I know! Like Clough said though, if you're not interfering with play, what are you doing on the pitch!?)

 

[SonofErnie]

Telegraph article confirming Lampard’s not appealing it and he expects to be out for Hull.

Wants to be available for West Brom I guess. Can he still participate in pre match and half time team talks?


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[Sky Blue Goblin]

Wants to be available for West Brom I guess. Can he still participate in pre match and half time team talks?


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No, not allowed in the technical area at all (not sure if allowed in the stadium).

 

[Captain Dart]

No, not allowed in the technical area at all (not sure if allowed in the stadium).

What's prohibited during a touchline ban:

Presence in the technical area: The coach cannot be in or behind the dugout, the area where the team staff is typically located.

Communication on the field: The coach cannot shout instructions or make contact with players on the field.

Touchline and field access: The coach is prohibited from being on the touchline or the field before, during, or after the match.

Contact with match officials: The coach cannot attempt to contact any match officials, including referees, assessors, or match delegates.

What is permitted during a touchline ban:

Communication from the dug-out: The coach can communicate with others in the dugout using electronic devices like radios or mobile phones.

Access to changing rooms: The coach can enter the changing rooms before kick-off, at half-time, and after the match.

Press conferences: The coach can participate in pre-match and post-match press interviews.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

What's prohibited during a touchline ban:

Presence in the technical area: The coach cannot be in or behind the dugout, the area where the team staff is typically located.

Communication on the field: The coach cannot shout instructions or make contact with players on the field.

Touchline and field access: The coach is prohibited from being on the touchline or the field before, during, or after the match.

Contact with match officials: The coach cannot attempt to contact any match officials, including referees, assessors, or match delegates.

What is permitted during a touchline ban:

Communication from the dug-out: The coach can communicate with others in the dugout using electronic devices like radios or mobile phones.

Access to changing rooms: The coach can enter the changing rooms before kick-off, at half-time, and after the match.

Press conferences: The coach can participate in pre-match and post-match press interviews.

Oh fairs I stand corrected thanks for that.

So in reality he has an ear piece to Joe Edwards who just discuss with him and does what Lampard watches while he watches the clubs stream. Doesn’t sound that bad