Unfair? Did we invite Sadam over to stay then?
Ghost town was only two years into her first overnment, the 70s and the demise of the car industry (under labur unionists who were too stuck in their ways ti change) was the reason for coventry's problems before thatcher came to power.unions had too much power our car industry that we created and allowed the germans to take to the next level could and should have been our kegacy but we were too blind to see it. My dad was at the jag and spoent most of the 70s on strike with a young family and eventually gave in to choose a different job like many others were frced to.
It was not as clear cut as that with unions. Manufacturers sometimes created shortages so that they could lay staff off. Well documented. Chrysler/ rover/triumph/bl all needed bringing in to line but it was not all the unions fault.As Lynval Golding said tonight if there was no Thatcher there would be no 2 Tone and they never would've had a reason to voice the discontent of a large percentage of the nation which Thatcher couldn't give a toss about.
The unions did need bringing into line no doubt about it....but Thatcher went too far and crushed them and with it the rights of the ordinary working class man and woman. I remember joining the CT in 89...very much a Tory mouthpiece in those days... and being told there was no union there....membership of one was frowned upon and people had to make their own arrangements outside the company. Employees had no representation which summed up Thatcher's Britain where aspirational working class people voted for her thinking that they were somehow going to improve their lives under her leadership but many found themselves jobless,homeless and hopeless. Women voted for her as they believed that women's rights would be at the forefront of her thinking. It wasn't.
My own personal irritation with her policies was when I got my 1st poxy wage as a teenager and found out that 60% of it had to be paid in Poll Tax...It was a bit of a shock when I found out I had to pay the same as someone earning 100 times what I earned...Great leader my arse.
All this is very different to when St Mandela pops his clogs and we have a year of enforced grief and fawning. Any sick or negative comments and opinions such as these probably wont be allowed to see the light of day.
Yes she got a lot wrong but all this shit is just populist look at me I m so right on crap. Still as long as none of you are enjoying the trappings of capitalism
Unfair? Did we invite Sadam over to stay then?
I think a lot of people need to look at labour who created our benefits culture which everyone is quick to moan about.
Directly proprtionate to immigration. Coincidence?
Unlike hitler she was democratically elected. I see only those unable to fold their hand in hitler and napolean, how is their futile attempt at holding onto power when they were clearly defeated more dignified, to me that show a blind inability to know when you're beat. Democratically elected anbd removed at a time when she (post poll tax) had rightly loist the respect of her colleagues. The end game shouldn tarnish what went before and what we are still seeig the benefits of today. Know when to hold em and know when to fold them.
Unrelated and two interesting observations having just seen the news coverage: firstly the amount of young people who wouldnt have known her rule, celebrating her death in Scotland. The other report was from an ex-miners wife behind her big gated house calling her scum. Noit only did that look like she has flourished since, which I guess unlikelky n a miners wage/community, but she is enjoying the fruits of wealth whilst condemning it. Complete hypocrisy.
Directly proprtionate to immigration. Coincidence?
Why can't young people hate Thatcher just because they did live during her premiership? Does the same apply to Hitler, am I not allowed to hate Hitler because I weren't alive at that time?
I guess you'll hate Blair even more then? He took this country to war for someone else's popularity!!!
The Falklands was a British territory occupied by someone else...will you welcome the Romanian gypsies into your garden to settle there when/if the floodgate opens?
Ohh and I worked for a subsidiary of British Coal and lived and worked through the miners strike so I knew how vindictive and spiteful woman she truly was. I saw families torn apart and brothers and fathers and sons not speak to each other for 20 years following the event.
Thatcher sent the police in to quell the pickets and the police under her orders the police attacked miners and falsified accounts of their actions. This has since been proved in court.
Thatcher was a hateful, nasty piece of work and surely the worst ever British Prime Minister in modern history. Brown was incompetent and Bliar a liar, but she was just a hateful, vindictive individual.
All I hear this morning is how much she loved her country. Well, I'm sure Adolf Hitler loved Austria and Germany.
I think in the coming months and years we are going to hear a lot of revelations about the so called Iron Lady.
I'm searching the recesses of memory banks and cannot recall thatcher being responsible for the slaughter of 6 million individuals.
That's exactly what it was.
Anyone who lived through those times saw a see-change of behaviour and greed became at the forefront.
If Thatcher was a great leader, how come the Conservative party distanced themselves from her for so long. The T word was pretty much banned.
I have never come across a more hated leader and there will be parties and celebrations across the length of these isles at her demise. So many lives destroyed under her watch.
Just seen a BBC clip of 'Thatcher's best moments'. Not a single miner or unemployed to be seen.
I'll give you some of that, I don't think even her staunchest supporters agreed with the poll tax. A massive own goal and ultimately her undoing.
However I think goldings history is clouded as two tone was already beginning as she came to power and had gone before the end of her first term, so I don't think she can be credited with any of tat, more a movement f the ims whoever had been in powr
Anyone see the interview with Anne Widdecombe & Derek Hatton on daybreak, somes up opinion perfectly got very heated. Still think people celebrating her death is sick but the the plans for her funeral are just as sick. Heard a comment yesterday that the only politician in recent memory that has received the same funeral as she will get is Winston Churchill & that not right....
Thing is, under Thatcher's government we were under discussions with Argentina to let them have the Falklands back before the outbreak and invasion.
Well, I might have a discussion about letting my neighbour rip up my border fence so he can build a wall. If I come home the following evening to find the footings are laid before I have given express agreement - I'd punch his lights out & make him put the fence back!
Only a clip of the pair singing 'You've got a friend in me' with a hat and a cane at a Tory party conference.
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