Maggie Thatcher has died (2 Viewers)

[rob9872]

I'm not sure we've had a decent, honest and truly impartial statesman or woman in charge of the UK or any other government around the world in my lifetime. If there has been they've probably been bumped off. Human nature and its traits of greed, vanity, power lust and personal advancement have ensured we have had whole successions of career politicians lining their own pockets. No-one worse than the Blairs though { Who I helped vote into power} and I hated that nation destroying idiot Brown as well. What's the solution ??

I believe the solution lies in the only decent policy that the Liberals held over the past 30 years and an idea they now seem to have shelved - proportional representation. Not necessarily in the way that they wanted it, but one that would mean every vote counted and would encourage MP's to "do the right thing" as opposed to point scoring and toeing the party line.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Ultimately Taylor neither of us lived through her time in charge so we can't say for sure just how good or bad she was. All we can go off is her legacy which was to have all wealth concentrated in one sector in one part of the country and to sod everywhere else. Every man for himself.

Of course, but we, and future generations, if anything will be able to give a better account of her premiership as more evidence will be available, general rule of thumb with history. I think that anyone is entitled to hate evil people in history, Blair, Bush, Thatcher, Nixon, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Henry VIII, Mary I etc. just because they're in the past, doesn't mean they should be forgotten!

I personally don't 'hate' Thatcher, I certainly didn't rejoice in her death, as I said, I didn't really care, I just told my mum and had a conversation with a few mates.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of course, but we, and future generations, if anything will be able to give a better account of her premiership as more evidence will be available, general rule of thumb with history. I think that anyone is entitled to hate evil people in history, Blair, Bush, Thatcher, Nixon, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Henry VIII, Mary I etc. just because they're in the past, doesn't mean they should be forgotten!

I personally don't 'hate' Thatcher, I certainly didn't rejoice in her death, as I said, I didn't really care, I just told my mum and had a conversation with a few mates.

You'd put Henry VIII alongside Hitler?

 

[ricohman]

There was celebration in the streets over here in ireland when the news hit. Not by me of course, i couldnt give a shit.

Shows how much she was hated

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

You'd put Henry VIII alongside Hitler?

What!? No! I was listing evil people, not putting them in order of evilness.

Henry VIII was pretty bad though, but Hitler and Stalin top the 'League of Evilness'.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yesterday was possibly the best day of my life other than the one we won the cup. And seeing as it was the day before my old mans birthday, it's easy to remember so I can mark the anniversary with a wee celebration every year. I got about 12 texts from people yesterday lunch time spreading the news. I actually wept a little from the emotion and glee

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What!? No! I was listing evil people, not putting them in order of evilness.

Henry VIII was pretty bad though, but Hitler and Stalin top the 'League of Evilness'.

Different times though-burning at the stake was legitimate in his time.

 

[Ashdown1]

Mary I is an interesting choice.......................burnt hundreds of Protestants at the stake, a delightful way to perish I'm sure !! They were from a tough line though, Henry VIII's daughter and then succeeded by her half sister Elizabeth I who turned a blind eye to piracy and slavery..............as long as she got a cut of the profits. Its been a tough old world !!

 

[Covstu]

The league of evilness! THat could be a good film, maybe the successor to league of gentleman! Not sure if Blair and Bush would be classed as 'evil' though...

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

It's fun reading this thread-most of the people I suspected of being right-wing are!

 

[Ashdown1]

I'm the only decent Statesman that will never get into power !!!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Come one, who's going to be the first to sing 'Ding dong the witch is dead?'

A terrible leader who totally destroyed the sense of community spirit and of society as we knew it.

Sad to see anyone die, but I dare say there'll be a fair few parties to be had tonight up and down the country!

It was in my head all day yesterday Otis as I skipped about work!

 

[rob9872]

It's fun reading this thread-most of the people I suspected of being right-wing are!

For clarity, I'm just to the right of the much maligned and misunderstood Genghis Khan

 

[LastGarrison]

It's fun reading this thread-most of the people I suspected of being right-wing are!

I love quotes like this.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

One thing she certainly wasn't was a democrat. Her abuse of the party whip in her second term given her majority essentially ensure that she could do whatever she wanted. No wonder she thought she was the Queen...I based my dissertation on it and got a good grade

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

For clarity, I'm just to the right of the much maligned and misunderstood Genghis Khan

TBH, I always thought that your pic has an air of Loadsamoney about it.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

All this is very different to when St Mandela pops his clogs and we have a year of enforced grief and fawning. Any sick or negative comments and opinions such as these probably wont be allowed to see the light of day.

Yes she got a lot wrong but all this shit is just populist look at me I m so right on crap. Still as long as none of you are enjoying the trappings of capitalism

Mandella was a freedom fighter and hero to millions, nay billions; Thatcher was an evil bitch. Pure unadulterated evil. I'm insulted that you think I hate her "'cos it's cool"-to use her fave put-down, "you're talking claptrap".

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

I am still absolutely staggered at the assertion that 'Mandela has been widely acknowledged as a terrorist'. Despite my tender years, I knew Thatcher polarised opinion; I was not aware that I was so out of whack on Mandela. Perhaps because I lived for several months in the biggest township in Cape Town and I know that he is an inspiration in that city to blacks, whites and coloureds (there are three established racial groupings in South Africa; 'coloureds' refers to mixed race ancestry). Perhaps because Cameron came out to apologise for Maggie's comments on the ANC. I suppose one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, I absolutely know which side of said divide I would like to fall on.

 

[Nick]

Way too far back for me to know what was going on. Didn't even get a day off work for her funeral

 

[Blue Maniac]

Not sure if Blair and Bush would be classed as 'evil' though...

A pair of self-interested vendetta-chasing war criminals who started an illegal war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and triggered an exponential increase in global terrorism? They're easily each ten times as evil as Thatcher, and I'll happily piss on each of their corpses when they snuff it, which will hopefully be soon and slowly at the hands of a particularly sadistic murderer who films both men's long, drawn out deaths and puts them on fucking YouTube in episode form for people like me to watch with a massive bag of popcorn.

Cunts.

 

[DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe]

I dare you to not hold back and tell people what you really think...

 

[Blue Maniac]

I dare you to not hold back and tell people what you really think...

I'm a natural fence sitter.

 

[Nick]

A pair of self-interested vendetta-chasing war criminals who started an illegal war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and triggered an exponential increase in global terrorism? They're easily each ten times as evil as Thatcher, and I'll happily piss on each of their corpses when they snuff it, which will hopefully be soon and slowly at the hands of a particularly sadistic murderer who films both men's long, drawn out deaths and puts them on fucking YouTube in episode form for people like me to watch with a massive bag of popcorn.

Cunts.

Would you not prefer a movie rather than episodes? You have to wait for the next one then?

 

[torchomatic]

Low income workers have seen their pay rise by 27% in real terms over the past 30 years but rises for the top 10% of earners have been four times higher.

A report found a "sharp divide" in earnings growth between professions.

While medical practitioners saw a 153% rise since the late 1970s, bakers' wages fell by 1%.

Wages grew by over 100% for judges, barristers and solicitors, while they fell by 5% for forklift truck drivers and 3% for packers and bottlers in the same period.

Try telling some of the people in the professions above their dislike of her is "populist".

Yes she got a lot wrong but all this shit is just populist look at me I m so right on crap. Still as long as none of you are enjoying the trappings of capitalism

 

[Ashdown1]

Low income workers have seen their pay rise by 27% in real terms over the past 30 years but rises for the top 10% of earners have been four times higher.

A report found a "sharp divide" in earnings growth between professions.

While medical practitioners saw a 153% rise since the late 1970s, bakers' wages fell by 1%.

Wages grew by over 100% for judges, barristers and solicitors, while they fell by 5% for forklift truck drivers and 3% for packers and bottlers in the same period.

Try telling some of the people in the professions above their dislike of her is "populist".

I wouldn't dispute your points and agree there is an awful disparity but these figures are probably replicated all over the World. Thatcher has had no real influence for 20 years, yet still these changes have happened under the watch of other great leaders including 13 years of that great 'socialist era' of New Labour where rather than address the issues of British workers they chose to give away the UK's wealth all round at the lowest market price while hand almost all created jobs to a surge of foreigners to feed the multinationals they cowed down to !

 

[Tad]

Ah, politics and religion. The number 1 things to cause fights and wars.

 

[torchomatic]

I can't see all the hysteria over those who want to "celebrate" her demise.

I don't think anyone can deny that she saw the miners as communists, and she hated the communists as we all know - she made no secret of this. Why are we now getting at the miners for hating her back?

It might not be the finest example of human compassion, but it is quite understandable. "Conviction Politicians" (and I include Labour's answer to Thatcher - Blair - in case anyone wants to accuse me of Tory bashing - would never do such a thing!) are always hated as much as loved, because they don't do discussion or conciliation.

 

[Blue Maniac]

Would you not prefer a movie rather than episodes? You have to wait for the next one then?

With any luck it'll be about 300 numbered 2-hour episodes, each focusing on a different type of torture, entitled Taste of Their Own Medicine. Perhaps there could be a Guantanamo Special where they're locked up alone in a room with no amenities or light or food for 23 hours a day, being dragged out only for systematic beatings, death threats and baseless accusations.

Ooh, what fun.

 

[Disorganised1]

As someone who lived in a pit village and through Maggie's reign I'd say she was the finest Prime Minister we have had in my life time.

 

[Otis]

Ah, politics and religion. The number 1 things to cause fights and wars.

Good job she was a Satanist and not a Christian.

 

[LastGarrison]

With any luck it'll be about 300 numbered 2-hour episodes, each focusing on a different type of torture, entitled Taste of Their Own Medicine. Perhaps there could be a Guantanamo Special where they're locked up alone in a room with no amenities or light or food for 23 hours a day, being dragged out only for systematic beatings, death threats and baseless accusations.

Ooh, what fun.

And waterboarding, don't forget the waterboarding.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Tad]

Couldn't help but laugh at this:

Look at number 1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestsellers-MP3-Downloads/zgbs/dmusic/digital-music-track&tag=skblta-21

Number 6

http://snkhan.co.uk/stuff/iTunes.php

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I wouldn't dispute your points and agree there is an awful disparity but these figures are probably replicated all over the World. Thatcher has had no real influence for 20 years, yet still these changes have happened under the watch of other great leaders including 13 years of that great 'socialist era' of New Labour where rather than address the issues of British workers they chose to give away the UK's wealth all round at the lowest market price while hand almost all created jobs to a surge of foreigners to feed the multinationals they cowed down to !

The failings of the abomination of New Labour do not in any way detract from the evil's of Thatcherism; Blair was a traitor to his party who has betrayed it's principles (as to a degree is Cameron). Blair has more in common with Thatcher than he does any Socialist. He admired Thatcher and was inspired by her. How does that make you people who love Maggie and hate Blair feel? You MUST know jack shit about politics if you think that they were on different sides!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

I can't see all the hysteria over those who want to "celebrate" her demise.

I don't think anyone can deny that she saw the miners as communists, and she hated the communists as we all know - she made no secret of this. Why are we now getting at the miners for hating her back?

It might not be the finest example of human compassion, but it is quite understandable. "Conviction Politicians" (and I include Labour's answer to Thatcher - Blair - in case anyone wants to accuse me of Tory bashing - would never do such a thing!) are always hated as much as loved, because they don't do discussion or conciliation.

See? Us lefties hate Blair too! Not as much, but then there are degrees of evil..

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

There was a great interview on R5 at about 1:20-1:45 with an MEP who was buddy-buddy with her and used to visit her up until her death; asked about whether she acknowledged her mistakes, he chuckled..."I'm laughing as I'm only just remembering this now...I asked her once, and she said "Probably, yes-the times where I didn't get my own way". She wasn't really one for introspection..."

And that's coming from an ally of hers!