clint van damme
Well-Known Member
might be worth deleting that mate, I know it's an emotive subject but that's a bit strong based on a bit of shite talking on a football forum.
Spoken like a true rapist.
Be amazed if he doesn’t try and pay her off.
Southgate mentioned ‘an incident’ when asked last year why he hadn’t called up Greenwood.
What evidence is there? a few photo's of bruises, which could be from anything, and what could be deemed as a bit of shit role playing. Rape fantasy is fairly common amongst women. I'm not saying hes either guilty or innocent, let the police carry out their investigation and go from there.
When did it happen ?gone beyond the pay off stage now that he’s been arrested
YepThis really is a pretty strange post
When did it happen ?
That could be any minute of any hour of any day up in that neck of the woods.A man in his twenties has been arrested in the Manchester area
Another strange post
Wow, odd statement.
Wow, odd statement.
That reads like she was terrified of what he would do with the stuff being publicised.
Wow, odd statement.
Is this verified? I've seen it reported/shared in a few places citing "Mailonline" but I'm completely unable to find the actual story
Be surprised if there weren't at least rumours. This Greenwood seems to have a very low regard for women, so you would have thought someone would have at least suspected something.To the extent players are managed these days in all aspects of there life do we believe man utd football club had no idea what was happening?
I read about that and then also the fact that Robinho is about to (or may now be) placed on the Interpol most wanted list as he is supposed to be serving jail time in Italy for rape. They linked back to another case in Brazil of a player being able to resume his career after a conviction for rape. Violence towards women in Brazil (and the attitude towards it) looks to be a massive problem from what I could make of those articles.Can’t find it now but there was a Brazilian (I think) goalkeeper who chopped his wife’s body up got done and still found a club when he came out
People ignore that "innocent until proven guilty (by a court)" is in relation to the threshold for criminal conviction not whether or not the person is guiltyShrugging and tapping the ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ sign in the light of documentary evidence is an…..interesting approach here.
And that it doesn’t stop the public forming their own opinion.People ignore that "innocent until proven guilty (by a court)" is in relation to the threshold for criminal conviction not whether or not the person is guilty
To the extent players are managed these days in all aspects of there life do we believe man utd football club had no idea what was happening?
I think what Marty was trying to say is that "trial by social media" is never a good thing.
And he's quite correct.
I know of at least one ongoing case in another sport where a guy (in a significant position of authority within a governing body) has been accused of sexual harrassment.... this was "leaked" onto social media and the guy condemned and had his reputation tarnished forever.... the "social media leak" neglected to mention that the issue had already been through court and he was cleared all of any wrong-doing.
I would like to make it clear that i'm not defending Greenwood... he appears to be an incredibly undesirable character, and in the (likely) event that this is true, he deserves everything he's got coming to him....
How on earth is your example relevant to this case?
Yet another example of how, for certain kinds of people, there will never be enough evidence to make them say "Yeah, this guy did something bad" - they can always just find another excuse.
Is it any wonder that so many women are terrified about speaking up when they get this kind of reaction from people like you?
Do i really have to try to explain myself...?
Mason Greenwood is obviously a very undesirable character (to say the very least).... i believe he will be charged, and will be found guilty. Quite rightly so.
What "kind of people" do you think i am? Do you have any knowledge of what i may have experienced in my own life on related matters?
Pointing out that evidence posted on social media has the potential to not be 100% of the story on every occasion, is hardly trying to repress women rightly reporting criminal events such as these.
I think what Marty was trying to say is that "trial by social media" is never a good thing.
And he's quite correct.
I know of at least one ongoing case in another sport where a guy (in a significant position of authority within a governing body) has been accused of sexual harrassment.... this was "leaked" onto social media and the guy condemned and had his reputation tarnished forever.... the "social media leak" neglected to mention that the issue had already been through court and he was cleared all of any wrong-doing.
I would like to make it clear that i'm not defending Greenwood... he appears to be an incredibly undesirable character, and in the (likely) event that this is true, he deserves everything he's got coming to him....
The kind of person who, on hearing a horrifying tape of a woman being abused, decides the most appropriate thing to do is to cast doubt on it. You’re not the only one on here - some of the arguments we’ve heard (Maybe she made it up! Maybe the tape was edited! Maybe she actually likes getting raped!) are nothing short of bizarre.
You may think throwing out these unlikely scenarios every time a bloke gets accused of abuse is some kind of important legal due diligence, as if no-one ever thinks to check for these things. It’s not. It’s just another reason why women being abused will think twice before speaking up about it.
Most people believe there should be a legal process. They’re not all rushing to say that though as it adds no value.I think you're confusing my belief that things will go through a legal process (as is the way in this country), with some kind of notion that i want the guy to be innocent and am trying to stick up for him.
Its fairly clear that is not the point i'm making whatsoever.
Both my posts state that he's obviously got "history" and is a nasty character... and i personally believe the evidence that has been posted... however i still believe that there should be a legal process, or perhaps we should lock him away now?
I think you're confusing my belief that things will go through a legal process (as is the way in this country), with some kind of notion that i want the guy to be innocent and am trying to stick up for him.
Its fairly clear that is not the point i'm making whatsoever.
Both my posts state that he's obviously got "history" and is a nasty character... and i personally believe the evidence that has been posted... however i still believe that there should be a legal process, or perhaps we should lock him away now?
tbf I wouldn't put Travs' response in the league of others, although maybe pinning his response to someone else's was... unwise.If you want a cookie for pointing out that this will go through a legal process, then be my guest. You can bore off with your pub stories about anonymous blokes being stitched up with fake accusations of abuse though - those aren’t relevant here in the slightest.
Crazy to me that people on here will line up to puff their chests about how much they despise criminals etc, but as soon as it’s a bloke accused of sexual assault they start umming and ahhing, ‘Careful now, don’t forget about the tiny chance that it’s all a stitch-up!’ etc etc
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