Who voted these politicians in?
Voted likewise, the politicians have been trying to sneak these major changes through treaty by treaty over decades, if all of Europe could vote on the principle and did so I would be OK with it, but the people get no voice on the direction of travel in the EU and never will.
Just like I don't call out those that say we will be poorer. You seem to ignore when I constantly say that we won't know until we know what sort of deal is on the table.
What is best for the UK is also what is best for the countries in the EU. Would you like to disagree with this?
My problem is that I have a feeling that thise running the EU would love to see us suffer. Then those that also want to see their country leave the EU would think again. I don't trust politicians of any sort or from any party. So would those running the EU be happy to see other residents of the EU suffer if it made us suffer even more?
Your guess is as good as mine.
A lot of people who I know voted leave say the same. I am not enough to remember but reading and understanding we joined a "common market" it has evolved and morphed into a political union with one currency and one border and one army etc etc. some like Mart want this and that's fair enough. Many more don't though.
Just in case anyone didn't realise, here's part of the E.U. border fence which rivals any dreams Trump may come up with.
It consists of spotlights, watchtowers, TV cameras, motion and sound detectors and a road through the middle of the E.U side for patrols etc.
It's amazing this E.U. triple fence has not been in the news more.
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It why I voted to leave in the referendum. Its gone far beyond a trading block. We should of had a vote on it years ago. It seems it just kept on being put off and put off until people treated the EU as a norm and voted that way.
Its not the democracy we are use to in the UK. We deserve better.
So the big picture will increase taxes.
Of course he won't, because politicians only look to the next election, not at the bigger picture, where investment is key.
Meanwhile people vote for low tax because they look at their wage packet at the end of the month, rather than the bigger picture of where investment can get us.
Merkel, as an example, has said that the terms cannot be better for the UK than for existing members.
So there is no guesswork as to EU thinking required.
You use the word „suffering“. How come? The UK is sailing into a glorious Brexit sunset. The EU need us more than we need them.
Why would any intelligent person assume that you get a better deal from the EU by not being in it?
It would defeat the object of the EU if that were the case. Just the usual Sun, Mail, Express bollocks.
For me the EU is the norm. The European Parliament is elected by proportional representation, the commission by a sort of electoral college and there are no peers and monarchs involved. The German government and municipal councils are elected by proportional representation. We have a greater choice of parties who could be involved in decision making. We also have a written constitution which can only be altered by a qualified majority- which means we don’t have 52:48 decisions on the constitution made on „the day“ which could have gone the other way on a different day.
This is the democracy thst „we deserve“, but don’t get in the UK.
Fair enough I respect that opinion- but I don’t agree. I don’t see how it is much of a democracy to say- ‘okay the 52% majority want to leave, however, that isn’t enough because we don’t want that, so we will just ignore millions of people’s opinions in favour of the minority of people.’ Even if it is just a 4% swing, that is democracy to me, and even though I don’t like that we are leaving the EU, I am proud of the democracy we had.
the department of Trade and Industry is apparently looking to get the power to by pass Parliament when negotiating trade deals.
Post-Brexit trade bill could free ministers to sign deals without parliament
This will be a massive kick in the teeth to our democracy which I though was part of the reason for voting leave? It's actually quite sinister.
I might be wrong but didn’t Davies catsgorially day yesterday that parliament will have the right to vote and brexit? I might be wrong, but think it popped up on my phone yesterday?
that's something totally different.
From reading that article, it is saying that we are going to keep trade deals with countries that we already trade with as part of the EU? I don’t see the problem with that?
However, clauses in the bill suggest the new powers will continue to apply even if deals are altered during negotiations – leaving it up to ministers whether to refer the new deal to Parliament for approval.
From reading that article, it is saying that we are going to keep trade deals with countries that we already trade with as part of the EU? I don’t see the problem with that?
It is in the news every so often as people try to storm it.
It is necessary to have a secure EU border. The complaint by leavers was that the EU couldn’t control it’s borders. Now you are complaining that they can.
You can’t make this up.
My daughter wants to go on holiday to this Spanish enclave in Africa with her Spanish boyfriend. No idea what it’s like down there.
One big complaint about the EU (and one I could buy into!) was the way TTIP was being pushed in through the back door, with all its insidious pseudo-privatisation consequences.It allows the Trade and Industry department to circumnavigate Parliament. I thought a massive part of Brexit was about keeping our parliamentary democracy.
This allows an individual department to push through legislation that would previously have been subject to Parliamentary scrutiny. Doubly worrying when the department in question is headed up by Liam Fox.
One big complaint about the EU (and one I could buy into!) was the way TTIP was being pushed in through the back door, with all its insidious pseudo-privatisation consequences.
Allowing us to end up with a *worse* version without parliamentary consultation would be an utter disaster!
It worries me that in the haste to 'take back our borders' it seems we can forget the principles that drove the leave campaign - namely democratic control ahead of unelected individuals or entities, and increased investment in public services.Agree. One big bonus of leaving the EU was that we wouldn't be included in the CETA deal with Canada which was basically TTIP lite. Well this is pretty much the same thing.
To be honest it just seems to be irrelevant, in the EU or out, the interests of the corporate world will always be looked after at the expense of everything else.
Who voted these politicians in?
Tell you what, describe what the EU system of government is, I'm sure as a fan you understand it well and will be able to explain it in simple terms that illustrate it's democratic credentials.
Some education for those who don't know anything about the EU commission or what goes on in the EUGoogle EU Parliament, EU Commission and European Council. When you have read those you will be 3 times as educated as the majority of leavers who get their information from the Brexit press.
Some education for those who don't know anything about the EU commission or what goes on in the EU
Corruption across EU 'breathtaking'
Google EU Parliament, EU Commission and European Council. When you have read those you will be 3 times as educated as the majority of leavers who get their information from the Brexit press.
I have but I don't understand it, please tell me how it works (or how you think it works).
I can only tell you the same as the official information.
I see Farage just paid 100000£ for smearing people. Did you miss that?
You can't explain or understand it either so you attempt to change the topic, LOL.
No. I am not going to repeat what you have already read in essay form. I think you are well capable of understanding the EU if you want to, but you don’t want to admit that it is at least, if not more democratic than the UK system.
The biggest problem I see is that the national governments have too much power. There should be more power vested in the EU parliament. It would take away the veto rights which work in, say, Luxemburg and Malta‘s case when we are talking about tax dodging.
I am not attempting to change the topic, but you sometimes throw news into threads. Just thought I would, seeing as Farage keeps getting shown for what a what a cxxt he is.
I can only tell you the same as the official information.
I see Farage just paid 100000£ for smearing people. Did you miss that?
You still can't explain where the so called EU democracy is can you, referring me to some essays!
I haven’t written any essays. This is not a political science class. As I have said, the biggest weakness is that the EU parliament is not given enough power.
Farage hasn’t paid them a penny. Did you miss that?
Admit it you don't understand how it is supposed to work, you just support it without reason or analysis, your attitude is rather like a religious belief.
Farage hasn’t paid them a penny. Did you miss that?
Yes. He has apologized and said he won’t do it again though. Which is a massive climb down. That along with his affairs which he hid for years, shows what a hypocritical lying bastard he is. Has he recommended youngsters to follow his lifestyle whilst wearing old men’s clothes - as he did when he recommended „youngsters“ watch Dunkirk?
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