I suppose I mean after goals in big games but maybe it doesn’t. Maybe I’m blurring encroaching a few feet onto the pitch with running across the pitch after the whistle goes.It wasn't after the game?
This is my point, the law seems to say that all people who enter the pitch without the refs permission should be banned. On Saturday there were other city players who were not part of the XI at that time also on the pitch and not by "10mm" by a good few feet and these weren't banned.I suppose I mean after goals in big games but maybe it doesn’t. Maybe I’m blurring encroaching a few feet onto the pitch with running across the pitch after the whistle goes.
I still think it doesn’t really matter if you encroach a metre or run the length of the pitch though. Palmer may have taken the piss it just seems daft to be a rule where small offences are unpunished.
It’s situations like this where football makes a rod for its own back and cause unneeded controversies. Take time wasting and foul throws. Rules exist but are implemented at referees discretion and then there are arguments about why did x get booked but not y.This is my point, the law seems to say that all people who enter the pitch without the refs permission should be banned. On Saturday there were other city players who were not part of the XI at that time also on the pitch and not by "10mm" by a good few feet and these weren't banned.
Is the rule even clear there? It seems odd it gets treated as a red rather than two yellows.think th FA should look at the rules for the FA cup yellow cards and close the loophole on the Red Card scenario! he Diallo had two yellows and then got a red, he should miss the Semi Final end of.......
This is my point, the law seems to say that all people who enter the pitch without the refs permission should be banned. On Saturday there were other city players who were not part of the XI at that time also on the pitch and not by "10mm" by a good few feet and these weren't banned.
Should be banned? Seems very extreme. Surely you mean cautioned?This is my point, the law seems to say that all people who enter the pitch without the refs permission should be banned. On Saturday there were other city players who were not part of the XI at that time also on the pitch and not by "10mm" by a good few feet and these weren't banned.
Why would a substituted player require the referees permission to re-enter the field of play. I'm struggling to think of an example of that happening in a game. Would this not be more applicable?Yes that can be an example or Law 3 The players-
If a player who requires the referee’s permission to re-enter the field of play re-enters without the referee’s permission, the referee must:
• stop play (not immediately if the player does not interfere with play or a match official or if the advantage can be applied)
• caution the player for entering the field of play without permission
If the referee stops play, it must be restarted:
• with a direct free kick from the position of the interference
• with an indirect free kick from the position of the ball when play was stopped if there was no interference
A player who crosses a boundary line as part of a playing movement does not commit an offence.
that only states appropriate disciplinary action, not an automatic caution, and as others have said substitutes entering the field of play to celebrate a goal happens regularly without the offending player receiving a caution, in fact there was at least 3 players off our bench on the field and only Palmer was cautioned. The game was not in play at the time and Palmers actions did nothing to delay a restart so with zero impact on the game is a caution in this case, but not when Wolves scored, appropriate and consistent?If a team official, substitute, substituted or sent-off player or outside agent enters the field of play the referee must:
- only stop play if there is interference with play
- have the person removed when play stops
- take appropriate disciplinary action
Was clearly missed at the time and obviously the wrong call by the Referee. He will be picked up on it.Will the Semedo kung-fu kick be viewed retrospectively as dangerous and endagering an opponent? Ref gave nothing, and VAR didn't think it worthy of a foul!!
That’s my reading too.Yeah there may be some super secret squirrel referees interpretation but reading the rules as they’re written it’s clear the intention is only to caution players who show disrespect or impede the game in some way.
Yes, stop being pedantic and can you please explain why not everyone who entered the pitch to celebrate was cautioned?Should be banned? Seems very extreme. Surely you mean cautioned?
It does read like it is aimed at players who go off say for treatment from entering play again without the refs permission.That’s my reading too.
Which makes sense as you see it enforced. Celebrating a goal not so much, although obviously subs aren’t running on the pitch every game, but it definitely happens.It does read like it is aimed at players who go off say for treatment from entering play again without the refs permission.
Rules are always being broken!!I know rules are rules but to deny a player a semi final because they had overriding emotion to a match winning 100 minute goal is a shambles of the game, of which football is all about.
Is the rule even clear there? It seems odd it gets treated as a red rather than two yellows.
No because two yellows in one game equates to a red card. Accumulation of yellows over different games carry a different penalty. It is unfortunate that in Palmers case the ban comes in for a Semi Final.
I still can't defend KP doing what he did, but now you've posted this it does seem that the ref wasn't actually REQUIRED to book him, although he was entitled to if he thought it 'appropriate'. Was the ref applying the wrong rule, and does this warrant an appeal? Pretty sure it would be futile though because they wouldn't want to undermine the ref's judgement, or encourage people sprinting across the field from the bench to join in goal celebrations.Why would a substituted player require the referees permission to re-enter the field of play. I'm struggling to think of an example of that happening in a game. Would this not be more applicable?
that only states appropriate disciplinary action, not an automatic caution, and as others have said substitutes entering the field of play to celebrate a goal happens regularly without the offending player receiving a caution, in fact there was at least 3 players off our bench on the field and only Palmer was cautioned. The game was not in play at the time and Palmers actions did nothing to delay a restart so with zero impact on the game is a caution in this case, but not when Wolves scored, appropriate and consistent?
It’s a bit odd that different cards have the suspension take place in different competitions but if anything it should be the other way around and a suspension for a red be served in the specific competition.No because two yellows in one game equates to a red card. Accumulation of yellows over different games carry a different penalty. It is unfortunate that in Palmers case the ban comes in for a Semi Final.
I still can't defend KP doing what he did, but now you've posted this it does seem that the ref wasn't actually REQUIRED to book him, although he was entitled to if he thought it 'appropriate'. Was the ref applying the wrong rule, and does this warrant an appeal? Pretty sure it would be futile though because they wouldn't want to undermine the ref's judgement, or encourage people sprinting across the field from the bench to join in goal celebrations.
Again, arbitrary as a yellow can lead to a ban so the impact is the same?AFAIK there’s no mechanism to appeal a yellow, only reds.
Stop pretending it’s the same thing-it’s not. I’ve explained-now move on.Yes, stop being pedantic and can you please explain why not everyone who entered the pitch to celebrate was cautioned?
You have stated it is a mandatory sanction and the as written treats 1ft the same as 50ft.
the law you quoted says it is, I am only going on what you postedStop pretending it’s the same thing-it’s not. I’ve explained-now move on.
There's zero chance of us appealing anything, there's not even a process to do so, and even less chance of anyone admitting a mistake was made.I still can't defend KP doing what he did, but now you've posted this it does seem that the ref wasn't actually REQUIRED to book him, although he was entitled to if he thought it 'appropriate'. Was the ref applying the wrong rule, and does this warrant an appeal? Pretty sure it would be futile though because they wouldn't want to undermine the ref's judgement, or encourage people sprinting across the field from the bench to join in goal celebrations.
What about how the sanction is applied? Had he slapped a wolves player on the way back and been sent off he would be able to play at Wembley. Not sure I can make that make sense.Absolutely! But people think that discretion can be applied by the Referee, unfortunately it can’t and is in black and white.
But as per ChiefDave's post (#220), the rule relating to a substituted player going on the pitch (which is different from the cases you have quoted) states that 'appropriate disciplinary action' should be taken, which does involve discretion.Absolutely! But people think that discretion can be applied by the Referee, unfortunately it can’t and is in black and white.
But as per ChiefDave's post (#220), the rule relating to a substituted player going on the pitch (which is different from the cases you have quoted) states that 'appropriate disciplinary action' should be taken, which does involve discretion.
OK that's clear enough. As discussed on here, people do seem to regularly get away with modest encroachment onto the field all the time. But how an experienced player thinks he can run right across the pitch the way KP did when the match hasn't finished is beyond me. I guess he wasn't warned by the staff before the game about suspension for 2 bookings in the FA Cup.As in "appropriate" would be whether he gets a yellow or a red depending on his actions.
It really is cut & dry unfortunately.
Surely the ball was dead? no play was happening and if he'd gone behind the goal to them, would he still be booked?
As in "appropriate" would be whether he gets a yellow or a red depending on his actions.
It really is cut & dry unfortunately.
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So basically Palmer should have told the ref, in no uncertain terms, to “fuck off you miserable Cnut”, earning himself a second yellow for dissent.No because two yellows in one game equates to a red card. Accumulation of yellows over different games carry a different penalty. It is unfortunate that in Palmers case the ban comes in for a Semi Final.
OK that's clear enough. As discussed on here, people do seem to regularly get away with modest encroachment onto the field all the time. But how an experienced player thinks he can run right across the pitch the way KP did when the match hasn't finished is beyond me. I guess he wasn't warned by the staff before the game about suspension for 2 bookings in the FA Cup.
It's so frustrating because if we are going to have a chance of beating United, we could do with some magic, and he's probably more capable of doing the brilliant or unexpected than anyone else in the squad.
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