Qatar World Cup 2022 (11 Viewers)

Otis · Dec 10, 2022

This tells you everything.

We just don't have the bottle, nous, belief or confidence to go any further right now.

Remember when Spain were perennial losers. Tournament after tournament.

I hope it will come good for England, but we just don't quite have the belief in ourselves

Had we won tonight it would have given the whole country such a lift. Alas, it was not to be.

TomRad85 · Dec 10, 2022

Macca said:
Is this right?

Hey hey Trinidad had Chris Birchall, that was a tough one.

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Tommo1993 · Dec 10, 2022

Never mind. I’m blind.

covmark · Dec 10, 2022

Otis said:
To be honest, I would have given the pen to the likes of Bellingham.

I honestly don't think Kane would have been labelled a bottler. It was just an option.

Had it not been Kane's own club goalkeeper in goal, then yes, 100% Kane. Every time. But I did say to myself as soon as we were awarded the pen, that maybe Kane shouldn't take that one. I just could sense he was going to miss.

Jesus. No one other than Kane was taking that pen. He missed, it happens. Makes it no less gut wrenching however.

CJ_covblaze · Dec 10, 2022

Gutted. Probably should’ve won. Got it right tactically. Players gave it their all. Just wasn’t our day. Kane missing a penalty sums things up well. Been another good ride.

Currently working out if we stay or go home. On to Naples in March.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 10, 2022

CJ_covblaze said:
Gutted. Probably should’ve won. Got it right tactically. Players gave it their all. Just wasn’t our day. Kane missing a penalty sums things up well. Been another good ride.

Currently working out if we stay or go home. On to Naples in March.

Considering we lost, I don't see how we got it right tactically whatsoever.

We did better in the second half until Giroud scored but in the first half we were dreadful and went in a goal down which meant we were chasing the game. The substitutions he made were completely wrong in the latter stages as well.

Sick Boy · Dec 10, 2022

Macca said:
Is this right?

Looks like it.

chiefdave · Dec 10, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Considering we lost, I don't see how we got it right tactically whatsoever.

The response to the result kind of sums us up doesn't it. Other countries go mad and demand change when they get knocked out, we compliment the team n a good effort and extend the managers contract

We talk like we support a team that wasn't really expected to get out of the group stage not like a team who should be challenging

Not like this is a one off, we regularly fail when we play a 'good' team

CCFCSteve · Dec 10, 2022

Otis said:
This tells you everything.

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We just don't have the bottle, nous, belief or confidence to go any further right now.

Remember when Spain were perennial losers. Tournament after tournament.

I hope it will come good for England, but we just don't quite have the belief in ourselves

Had we won tonight it would have given the whole country such a lift. Alas, it was not to be.

Id agree with that if we hadn’t reached the semi and final if the last two tournies

Just didn’t have rub of the green. Standard

Liquid Gold · Dec 10, 2022

chiefdave said:
The response to the result kind of sums us up doesn't it. Other countries go mad and demand change when they get knocked out, we compliment the team n a good effort and extend the managers contract

We talk like we support a team that wasn't really expected to get out of the group stage not like a team who should be challenging

Not like this is a one off, we regularly fail when we play a 'good' team

England have beaten a previous winner in a knockout game apart from the 66 final.

Now we have a good team that’s what we need to change.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 10, 2022

We don’t know how to beat major nations, since we didn’t qualify for World Cup 94 this is our record:

Euro 96: Holland Spain Germany won 2 lost 1
World Cup 98: Argentina Lost
Euro 2000: Germany Portugal won 1 lost 1
World Cup 2002: Argentina, Brazil - won 1 lost 1
Euro 2004: France, Portugal lost 2
World Cup 2006: Portugal lost
World Cup 2010: Germany Lost
Euro 2012: France, Italy drew 1 lost 1
World Cup 2014: Italy - lost
Euro 2016: didn’t play anyone decent
World Cup 2018 - Belgium - lost 2
Euro 2020: Germany, Italy won 1 lost 1
World Cup 2022: France lost
So basically
Won: 4, Drew 1, Lost: 14 since 1996 and including Belgium

When it comes to it we don’t have what it takes to beat the major nations.

include Italia 90 and Euro 92, you can add a draw against France and Holland, defeat against Italy and Germany and an extra victory against Belgium.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 10, 2022

chiefdave said:
The response to the result kind of sums us up doesn't it. Other countries go mad and demand change when they get knocked out, we compliment the team n a good effort and extend the managers contract

We talk like we support a team that wasn't really expected to get out of the group stage not like a team who should be challenging

Not like this is a one off, we regularly fail when we play a 'good' team

We bottled the final against the Italians and because a few bot accounts in the middle east made some racist tweets, the team got let off.

Kane missed today. What will the reaction to that be?

Facts are, we struggle against decent opposition in serious matches. We are weak mentally and the French were just a bit organised. They played us like a flute really. We didn't show enough balls today and I certainly won't be celebrating failure.

Tommo1993 · Dec 10, 2022

We’ve got attacking threat in spades. Maybe lacking at the back, but just a more ruthless, convicting manager away from that extra mile.

CJ_covblaze · Dec 10, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Considering we lost, I don't see how we got it right tactically whatsoever.

We did better in the second half until Giroud scored but in the first half we were dreadful and went in a goal down which meant we were chasing the game. The substitutions he made were completely wrong in the latter stages as well.

Saka had to go off. Rashford, Sterling and Mount were good when they came on. With regards to Giroud fair play to him. Went round every single one of our players and showed his class as a man.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 10, 2022

CJ_covblaze said:
Saka had to go off. Rashford, Sterling and Mount were good when they came on. With regards to Giroud fair play to him. Went round every single one of our players and showed his class as a man.

You've obviously been out in the sun too long.

Sterling was good when he came on?

Go and have a nap.

Liquid Gold · Dec 10, 2022

We don’t need to rip it all up and start again though. We’re on the right path. Just need something extra.

Grendel · Dec 10, 2022

Otis said:
This tells you everything.

View attachment 27709

We just don't have the bottle, nous, belief or confidence to go any further right now.

Remember when Spain were perennial losers. Tournament after tournament.

I hope it will come good for England, but we just don't quite have the belief in ourselves

Had we won tonight it would have given the whole country such a lift. Alas, it was not to be.

Not really. Ccfc have never won at Preston - it’s no reason other than we hadn’t on those days

CJ_covblaze · Dec 10, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You've obviously been out in the sun too long.

Sterling was good when he came on?

Go and have a nap.

He caused Hernandez problems. His record and experience at international level speaks for itself. We needed a goal and based on those two things, very few players are more qualified to come on and help get us one.

SKYBLUES90 · Dec 10, 2022

Cov bias aside. Maddison sat on the bench twiddling his thumbs is a travesty.

Otis · Dec 10, 2022

covmark said:
Jesus. No one other than Kane was taking that pen. He missed, it happens. Makes it no less gut wrenching however.

I said he would miss it before he took it. As he stepped up. A few others on here said the same. It just didn't feel right. I also said he would probably blast it and if he did, it would probably go over the bar.

You do whatever it takes to win. Any other keeper, then definitely Kane, without any shadow of a doubt. He's our penalty taker, but he just looked like he was going to miss.

David O'Day · Dec 10, 2022

CJ_covblaze said:
He caused Hernandez problems. His record and experience at international level speaks for itself. We needed a goal and based on those two things, very few players are more qualified to come on and help get us one.

Really? they must of missed that on the tv

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 10, 2022

CJ_covblaze said:
He caused Hernandez problems. His record and experience at international level speaks for itself. We needed a goal and based on those two things, very few players are more qualified to come on and help get us one.

He was absolutely useless, as he largely is in any big game. Bringing him on was the wrong decision and it proved true.

Rashford came on at 85 minutes. Grealish at 90+6. His substitutions were poor and he got it all wrong. Ignoring that just makes you look silly.

SBT · Dec 10, 2022

SKYBLUES90 said:
Cov bias aside. Maddison sat on the bench twiddling his thumbs is a travesty.

I don’t think any of us really know if he was ever going to be fit enough or ready enough to make a difference tonight - especially for a player with so little international experience.

Any England manager for the next few years is going to have this problem - unless they play some kind of comedy 3-2-5 formation, there’s always going to be someone sat on the bench who fans are convinced could be the difference maker.

covmark · Dec 10, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He was absolutely useless, as he largely is in any big game. Bringing him on was the wrong decision and it proved true.

Rashford came on at 85 minutes. Grealish at 90+6. His substitutions were poor and he got it all wrong. Ignoring that just makes you look silly.

Yeah Grealish with 2 minutes left of injury time was bizarre. Running down the clock when we're losing.....

Evo1883 · Dec 10, 2022

Mbappe massively ghosting caused the media all sorts of problems too , nothing to wank over tonight at all

SKYBLUES90 · Dec 10, 2022

SBT said:
I don’t think any of us really know if he was ever going to be fit enough or ready enough to make a difference tonight - especially for a player with so little international experience.

Any England manager for the next few years is going to have this problem - unless they play some kind of comedy 3-2-5 formation, there’s always going to be someone sat on the bench who fans are convinced could be the difference maker.

Most goal involvements for any English player since August 2021.

Bringing on Mount ahead of him was the final straw for me. Yes we don’t know if he could do the business but stats alone would suggest he at least deserves an opportunity to show if he can rise to the level.

David O'Day · Dec 10, 2022

SKYBLUES90 said:
Most goal involvements for any English player since August 2021.

Bringing on Mount ahead of him was the final straw for me. Yes we don’t know if he could do the business but stats alone would suggest he at least deserves an opportunity to show if he can rise to the level.

I get your point put Mount did win the pen

Skybluefaz · Dec 10, 2022

This guy had a hell of a tournament

SBT · Dec 10, 2022

SKYBLUES90 said:
Most goal involvements for any English player since August 2021.

Bringing on Mount ahead of him was the final straw for me. Yes we don’t know if he could do the business but stats alone would suggest he at least deserves an opportunity to show if he can rise to the level.

There are arguments for every player. He can bring on Maddison (although I would suggest the last few minutes of a WC QF aren’t the best place to test players at a new level), but if he doesn’t change the game then it’s people screaming about why he didn’t bring on Grealish (or Rashford, or Wilson, or Sterling, or Mount) instead. He can bring on a player like Mount - who comes on and instantly changes the game - and still get slated, apparently. Such is life when you have a squad this unbalanced.

It’s not an easy job, but Southgate got it right a lot more than he got it wrong this tournament. If Kane buries the second penalty like he should have then it’s not even a debate.

SKYBLUES90 · Dec 10, 2022

David O'Day said:
I get your point put Mount did win the pen

Other than that I don’t think he touched the ball.

Safe substitution, just like all his other decisions.

SBT · Dec 10, 2022

SKYBLUES90 said:
Other than that I don’t think he touched the ball.

Safe substitution, just like all his other decisions.

Rubbish. If Maddison had come on and instantly won a penalty you’d have been patting yourself on the back so hard your ribcage would have flown out.

shmmeee · Dec 10, 2022

Skybluefaz said:
Southgate and Dan Ashworth were responsible for laying the foundations for the way we play and coach nowadays from grassroots up.

He was also under 21s coach.

Liquid Gold said:
We don’t need to rip it all up and start again though. We’re on the right path. Just need something extra.

Yes. A competent manager who doesn’t stink of mediocrity

shmmeee · Dec 11, 2022

“Win the pen” is a hell of a spin to put on it. He stood there and the French defender went mental and shoved him over. Hardly comparable to Saka or even Kanes that wasn’t given.

fernandopartridge · Dec 11, 2022

shmmeee said:
Yes. A competent manager who doesn’t stink of mediocrity

He reminds me of somebody else

SBT · Dec 11, 2022

shmmeee said:
Yes. A competent manager who doesn’t stink of mediocrity

Would you describe our recent records in tournaments as mediocre?

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