It's still Maradona for me - football's a team game, and the teams Maradona played for would have won nothing without him, such was his influence. That doesn't, however, mean Messi isn't up there - up until now I'd always been able to hold it against him that he hadn't done it really for his country, but they've won two trophies now, and he's certainly been influential in the world cup win.So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:
One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold
474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)
To be honest, while Maradona was clearly the most skilful player of his generation, and had a truly magnetic personality (something which Messi doesn't have at all), how do you explain his comparative lack of achievements? I'm not sure it can just be "people tackled more then"...
Messi did have to go up against Pepe and Sergio Ramos and they can dish it out with the best of them.Still Maradona for me as the greatest of time.
Maradona would have been even better in this no tackling time would Messi have survived the 80’s very unlikely.
Best of his time yes best of all time no.
The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.Politics aside I have enjoyed this World Cup and the last 50 mins of the final was incredible!
Not sure about another winter world cup though...
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I've come round to winter a bit. Not for me, but it is a world cup after all, so not just about what's best for us.The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.
The football has been great at times. Winter and Qatar still shit decisions though.
I think it's probably more that he (until yesterday arguably) hadn't dragged two ordinary teams to great success (Napoli 87 and Argentina 86) unlike Maradona.So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:
One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold
474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)
I think it's probably more that he (until yesterday arguably) hadn't dragged two ordinary teams to great success (Napoli 87 and Argentina 86) unlike Maradona.
It's probably unfair to be honest as Messi has sustained himself as a top level player for longer and deserves credit for that.
Yeah that's a fair point.I've come round to winter a bit. Not for me, but it is a world cup after all, so not just about what's best for us.
You judge players by the eras in which they played. Do we consider Magnus Carlsen the best chess player of all time because he's held the world title for ages and has the highest rating, or accept that his predecessors had no computer engines to help, and less opening knowledge?So what’s the argument against Messi being the greatest of all time at this point? His career to date:
One World Cup
One Copa America
Ten La Ligas
Four Champions Leagues
One Olympic Gold
474 La Liga goals (all-time record)
98 goals for Argentina (all-time record)
Six European Golden Boots (all-time record)
Seven Ballon d’Ors (all-time record)
Two World Cup Golden Balls (all-time record)
Anything to fuck up the Euros and put more money in his sizeable pocket - he is a bad as the last two bent clownsInfantini needs taking out .
Talking about doing it every 3years.
Classic Emperor's new clothes stuff. Risible.I’m sure everyone’s seen all the ‘Salt Bae’ stuff. What a narcissistic little whopper.
This is a bit weird.
Kalvin Phillips: Pep Guardiola says Man City midfielder was 'overweight' after World Cup
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says Kalvin Phillips was "overweight" when he returned to training from the World Cup.www.bbc.co.uk
Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.This is a bit weird.
Kalvin Phillips: Pep Guardiola says Man City midfielder was 'overweight' after World Cup
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says Kalvin Phillips was "overweight" when he returned to training from the World Cup.www.bbc.co.uk
Quota signing innit.Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.
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massively overrated, like a lot of England players.Was never good enough for Man City. Very odd signing.
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If his wife can forgive him to the extent of having been happily married for 25 years, I think so can pretty much anyone else.May as well put this in here as it probably doesn’t merit a thread, but a truly batshit story about the US team - someone allegedly tried to blackmail the manager over a domestic violence incident when he was 18. Turns out that someone was Claudio Reyna, the dad of Gio Reyna who the manager had decided to bench…
Gio Reyna's mother gave USSF Berhalter info
Danielle Reyna, wife of Claudio and mother of Gio, says she told USSF about USMNT coach Gregg Berhalter's past domestic violence incident.t.co
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