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Sky Blue Pete · Nov 26, 2024

MalcSB said:
Isn’t it the very inconsistency that we complain of to not enforce a rule one minute, and then enforce it the next?

Enforcement to the letter of the rules from minute 1 would soon stamp these behaviours out.

It wouldn’t matey honestly
It’s one of the most eye opening things at ref association meetings that I’ve found with my lad
We discuss subjective situations which pretty much they all are let’s face it and the different opinions in the room are astounding.
Not just that but the discussions around at the different levels of the game different decisions are expected and discussions about what you can convince the players of
How relationship or authority are more important than actual decisions being made
There’s so much subjectivity

TomRad85 · Nov 26, 2024

shmmeee said:
The difference between the two is what’s stark. Though what were we doing at corners?

We seem to be much better at corners this season, literally the one thing we're better at, so i'm going to say we're just taking our time to get them right.

MalcSB · Nov 26, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
It wouldn’t matey honestly
It’s one of the most eye opening things at ref association meetings that I’ve found with my lad
We discuss subjective situations which pretty much they all are let’s face it and the different opinions in the room are astounding.
Not just that but the discussions around at the different levels of the game different decisions are expected and discussions about what you can convince the players of
How relationship or authority are more important than actual decisions being made
There’s so much subjectivity

6 seconds isn’t subjective.

And we are talking about trying to stamp this out in the professional game.

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 26, 2024

MalcSB said:
6 seconds isn’t subjective.

And we are talking about trying to stamp this out in the professional game.

Agreed

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 26, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Agreed

Just remembered
I used to run to half way backwards for out the hand or goal kicks and once I was in position that was their time up and I’d say let’s play I actually don’t remember having a problem ever but I never reffed above grassroots

Robinshio · Nov 26, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Just remembered
I used to run to half way backwards for out the hand or goal kicks and once I was in position that was their time up and I’d say let’s play I actually don’t remember having a problem ever but I never reffed above grassroots

the ref on saturday was walking back - took him ages, not sure if fitness issues

MalcSB · Nov 26, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Just remembered
I used to run to half way backwards for out the hand or goal kicks and once I was in position that was their time up and I’d say let’s play I actually don’t remember having a problem ever but I never reffed above grassroots

Are you really that diminutive?

Adge · Nov 26, 2024

Robinshio said:
the ref on saturday was walking back - took him ages, not sure if fitness issues

Regular fitness test are mandatory

Adge · Nov 26, 2024

MalcSB said:
Isn’t it the very inconsistency that we complain of to not enforce a rule one minute, and then enforce it the next?

Enforcement to the letter of the rules from minute 1 would soon stamp these behaviours out.

“Consistency” is a myth that gets recycled weekly by those so called experts on the box that are known as pundits.

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 26, 2024

Adge said:
Regular fitness test are mandatory

Only at a certain level

SlowerThanPlatt · Nov 26, 2024

Adge said:
Regular fitness test are mandatory

That doesn’t actually mean they’re fit enough in the context of a football match between 22 elite athletes does it?

edgy · Nov 26, 2024

shmmeee said:
The difference between the two is what’s stark. Though what were we doing at corners?

I think corners do take a fair amount of time generally when added up. Many occasions you'll see the ref holding up play to try and stop pushing/pulling. Also, the corner taker may not be anywhere near the corner and so may take 30 seconds or so to get the ball, take it to the chosen side and then take the corner. I don't think it's anything intentional.

I think those stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I'd imagine that if there is treatment needed for a player or any subs made before play is restarted then that will be taken into account here.

Adge · Nov 26, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Only at a certain level

Yes indeed-L4 and above. Think the point was the referee on Saturday he was inciting wasn’t fit enough

Adge · Nov 26, 2024

Well the EFL would argue that they are fit enough in the context of a football match.
Trust me-it’s quite stringent and not just a gentle park run amble down the Memorial park.

wingy · Nov 26, 2024

shmmeee said:
The difference between the two is what’s stark. Though what were we doing at corners?

How many did we have? 6

eastwoodsdustman · Nov 26, 2024

edgy said:
I think corners do take a fair amount of time generally when added up. Many occasions you'll see the ref holding up play to try and stop pushing/pulling. Also, the corner taker may not be anywhere near the corner and so may take 30 seconds or so to get the ball, take it to the chosen side and then take the corner. I don't think it's anything intentional.

I think those stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I'd imagine that if there is treatment needed for a player or any subs made before play is restarted then that will be taken into account here.

A bit of context on the corners, We had 12 and they had 2 on Saturday.

edgy · Nov 26, 2024

eastwoodsdustman said:
A bit of context on the corners, We had 12 and they had 2 on Saturday.

yeah so 30 seconds per corner is 6 mins straight away.

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 26, 2024

Adge said:
“Consistency” is a myth that gets recycled weekly by those so called experts on the box that are known as pundits.

Or consistency is found in other aspects of the game. There’s no consistency to be found in subjective decisions

wingy · Nov 27, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Or consistency is found in other aspects of the game. There’s no consistency to be found in subjective decisions

Which can lead to bias based on the common perceptions we're all guilty of?

Nuskyblue · Nov 27, 2024

Adge said:
“Consistency” is a myth that gets recycled weekly by those so called experts on the box that are known as pundits.

Consistency in a single game should be fairly obtainable, across a season. Forget it.

stupot07 · Nov 27, 2024

How did Brentford manage to get a red card rescinded for this, but Kitching defends himself from being attacked by the Sheffield Wednesday player it gets rejected???

blunted · Nov 27, 2024

I am worried refs are more concerned with dissent which means their decisions are challenged rather than potential career ending tackles. See Sheffield Wednesday.
Ar Burnley, I thought the Bassette booking was in response to his rep rather than the offence.

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 27, 2024

blunted said:
I am worried refs are more concerned with dissent which means their decisions are challenged rather than potential career ending tackles. See Sheffield Wednesday.
Ar Burnley, I thought the Bassette booking was in response to his rep rather than the offence.

Without respect nothing else is possible it’s a hugely important issue which is why dissent is a caution and a careless tackle isn’t

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Nov 27, 2024

blunted said:
I am worried refs are more concerned with dissent which means their decisions are challenged rather than potential career ending tackles. See Sheffield Wednesday.
Ar Burnley, I thought the Bassette booking was in response to his rep rather than the offence.

The thing I don't get is we've got a very timid team that don't get at the ref half as much as other teams, yet somehow we pick up loads of cards for dissent.

SBAndy · Dec 1, 2024

You’d have to go some to see a worse decision than this foul given by Anthony Taylor yesterday.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 1, 2024

SBAndy said:
You’d have to go some to see a worse decision than this foul given by Anthony Taylor yesterday.

I’d like to hear the explanation there’s no need for the aggression in the tackle and he clearly endangers the safety of the opponent
I know you and the person making the video will say he got the ball but that’s not the only consideration

SBAndy · Dec 1, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’d like to hear the explanation there’s no need for the aggression in the tackle and he clearly endangers the safety of the opponent
I know you and the person making the video will say he got the ball but that’s not the only consideration

Sorry Pete, not having that for a second. It’s on the ground and from the side, barely touches the player. Certainly not made the challenge in an aggressive manner. Absolutely no chance he’s endangering safety.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 1, 2024

SBAndy said:
Sorry Pete, not having that for a second. It’s on the ground and from the side, barely touches the player. Certainly not made the challenge in an aggressive manner. Absolutely no chance he’s endangering safety.

Ok subjective but I assure you most refs would say foul

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 1, 2024

Lad agrees foul

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Lad agrees foul

What?? For what?

Games gone.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

All this talk of safety and danger you’d think before all these ridiculous rules came in we were finishing games with dead players and people losing limbs.

Frostie · Dec 1, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok subjective but I assure you most refs would say foul

Yep, I don't mind it not being given & I know that's what fans would like, but I guarantee 95% of referees would say that's a foul. Unfortunately, most fans just see "wins ball". The game has changed, the tackler is now directly responsible for his opponents welfare as well.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

Frostie said:
Yep, I don't mind it not being given & I know that's what fans would like, but I guarantee 95% of referees would say that's a foul. Unfortunately, most fans just see "wins ball". The game has changed, the tackler is now directly responsible for his opponents welfare as well.

“welfare” fuck off. It’s a tackle.

shmmeee · Dec 1, 2024

Won’t be long before you’ve got to say sorry if you take the ball off someone in case their feelings are hurt.

stupot07 · Dec 1, 2024

It that's a foul then the Bradley tackle against Real Madrid should have been a sending off.

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