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[Nick]

people should be free to do what they want without constant sniping.

 

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[hill83]

I don't think it is assumed that anybody who doesn't go is doing it to starve the club. It's only really when people make a big song and dance out of it which then accounts for 10 or 15 people who will probably just work overtime etc or do something else because they were fed up of awful football.

Putting it into the supplier example, again it's the same as people who will make the most noise will mean there are another fair few people who stop going because of the poor football and won't make a big song or dance out of it. However if for example the supplier of pies used a cheaper meat supplier so it didn't taste as nice you would just stop buying it. You wouldn't then sign up to pielovers.co.uk to tell people daily about how you won't give them a penny or aren't going to bother etc. (Not you personally).

Kind of works. But said people haven't been supporting these pies their entire lives and singing chanting in the factory for years at a substantial cost. I understand your point but comparing supporting a football club to anything else doesn't work. And I mean that from both sides of this age old argument.

 

[Nick]

Kind of works. But said people haven't been supporting these pies their entire lives and singing chanting in the factory for years at a substantial cost. I understand your point but comparing supporting to anything else doesn't work. And I mean that both ways.

Yes, that's what I mean. It's easy enough to compare it to buying a TV and checking the reviews so just not buying it any more but it's not the same.

People compare it to going to watch awful films at the cinema etc as well. There is no real comparison.

 

[hill83]

Yes, that's what I mean. It's easy enough to compare it to buying a TV and checking the reviews so just not buying it any more but it's not the same.

People compare it to going to watch awful films at the cinema etc as well. There is no real comparison.

The only thing I can think of comparing it to is your mums relentless support of Ann Summers.

 

[Nick]

The only thing I can think of comparing it to is your mums relentless support of Ann Summers.

Bang out of order.














Everybody else knows it's Victoria's Secret.

 

[ajsccfc]

I always used to think 'Tupperware party' was a euphemism and it was like an Ann Summers party but way filthier, turns out that women actually were just getting excited about storage solutions and keeping leftovers fresh.

 

[hill83]

I always used to think 'Tupperware party' was a euphemism and it was like an Ann Summers party but way filthier, turns out that women actually were just getting excited about storage solutions and keeping leftovers fresh.

We've got a tupperware cupboard at home. No thought is put into the management of the cupboard and every time you open it you get destroyed by falling plastic.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

OSB hit it on the head. It's the lack of entertainment coupled with the general match day experience that is driving things this time. People have hit the buffers now and its made them disinterested, its not a statement of NOPM its cant be arsed.

 

[Nick]

We've got a tupperware cupboard at home. No thought is put into the management of the cupboard and every time you open it you get destroyed by falling plastic.

I am a bit worried as that sounds a bit too familiar. Also protein shakers go into this cupboard for added ammo.

It isn't actual Tupperware though, it's just Tesco plastic tubs or decent ones from takeaways.

 

[bawtryneal]

Sorted !!!!

 

[Captain Dart]

We've got a tupperware cupboard at home. No thought is put into the management of the cupboard and every time you open it you get destroyed by falling plastic.

Tupperware is of course a crime fighting superhero in South Park.

He however is not the most powerful super hero.

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

You are normally a very intelligent poster
Fisher has stated on numerous occasions that SISU are running CCFC as a business. That`s fine and their prerogative.
The fans are treated by Fisher as customers not like fans in the normal sense. Therefore the fans cannot be blamed for not spending their hard earned money without receiving value for money and entertainment.
Football is in the entertainment business that rely on "bums on seats"
They are fortunate that there are 5,000 die hards (reducing every year) who will turn up despite the entertainment value. I used to be one of them.
Sorry, but I disagree. In my opinion you cannot hold the fans to account in the same way as the owners
Fisher needs to look in the mirror, no further !!!
If my local restaurant goes bust because it serves crap food and offers poor service who`s fault is it ?? The customers or the management.

We have been informed by Sisu we have to be self sufficient. This we know. My point was that unless we put the money in to support the club the club will continue to whither and die and in my humble opinion it is up to the fans to keep it alive in the hope of better days.
What I can't understand is the theory that NOPM will get rid of Sisu and all is well.
Your analogy of the local restaurant neglects to recognize the emotional attachment we have to the club.
I am not prepared for the club to die.
We know 100% that Fisher is culpable but I also believe that fans who give up on the club are also prepared for the club to die.
I will stand behind this and I will argue we fans must keep the club going.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

what does irritate is the assumption that all those not buying season tickets are all doing it to damage the CCFC finances in some vain hope it will see SISU go.

Most people I know if they are not going to renew do so because it has become a chore, is not value for money, is not enjoyable, is a negative experience and there are other things that bring positive enjoyment that they now value more within their budget. To point the finger at people making a simple choice based on that is frankly divisive and lacks understanding of what is going on. I would suggest that for most people it isn't about NOPM or damaging SISU finances (that isn't working in any case) it is simply people finding more enjoyable things to do with the money they have available to them. The consequence of that is less money for CCFC, however is the customer really to blame for a poor product/experience provided by the supplier

Instead of finger pointing respect their decision as I respect yours if you choose to have a season ticket.

Just to be clear due to other commitments I have not had a season ticket nor do I plan to get one............. I will pick and choose when I go (if at all) so long as it fits in with other things in my life. The choices I make have nothing at all to do with providing or not providing finance to CCFC. I very content with the choices I make and take full responsibility for them - I am aware of the consequences for CCFC of a few of those choices but I am a long, long way down the list of those responsible for the state of the club and its future (as is any other fan)

I totally agree ,

I think of it like this , if the Belgrave theatre put on show and asked me to pay for the seat before I know who is performing and then when i turn up, the show is shit , what do you think I would do the next time I'm asked to pay up front ?

No need to answer , we all know the answer to that .

 

[Nick]

I totally agree ,

I think of it like this , if the Belgrave theatre put on show and asked me to pay for the seat before I know who is performing and then when i turn up, the show is shit , what do you think I would do the next time I'm asked to pay up front ?

No need to answer , we all know the answer to that .

It can't be compared to going to the theatre can it?

1. You would always pay up front to go to the cinema or theatre anyway.
2. Is not knowing the starting 11 for the first game a new thing?

Every football match is different, I'm not too sure people would pay to watch the same film over and over every week no matter how good it was.

Again, would you then sign up to the show's fan page and post every week how you weren't going to go?

 

[Otis]

I totally agree ,

I think of it like this , if the Belgrave theatre put on show and asked me to pay for the seat before I know who is performing and then when i turn up, the show is shit , what do you think I would do the next time I'm asked to pay up front ?

No need to answer , we all know the answer to that .

I am going to see Spamalot at the Belgrade in two weeks time.

It had better not be shit.

 

[Samo]

I always used to think 'Tupperware party' was a euphemism and it was like an Ann Summers party but way filthier, turns out that women actually were just getting excited about storage solutions and keeping leftovers fresh.

Yep, my wife bought a Tupperware tub to keep her dildo in.

 

[hill83]

I totally agree ,

I think of it like this , if the Belgrave theatre put on show and asked me to pay for the seat before I know who is performing and then when i turn up, the show is shit , what do you think I would do the next time I'm asked to pay up front ?

No need to answer , we all know the answer to that .

 

[Chipfat]

Yep, my wife bought a Tupperware tub to keep her dildo in.

What size is the tub.

 

[Ashdown]

It can't be compared to going to the theatre can it?

1. You would always pay up front to go to the cinema or theatre anyway.
2. Is not knowing the starting 11 for the first game a new thing?

Every football match is different, I'm not too sure people would pay to watch the same film over and over every week no matter how good it was.

Again, would you then sign up to the show's fan page and post every week how you weren't going to go?

It can't be compared to going to the theatre no but if you pay to watch a show and it's shit you aren't going to pay again for the next 7 nights either.
Paying for a season ticket is about showing total unconditional support and putting faith in the football club to do it's utmost to make the experience enjoyable and offer some hope of success over a period of 46 matches. Most football clubs attempt to achieve this goal as they recognise success leads to increased revenues and exciting days for all concerned. Sadly the morons in control of CCFC are not bothered about the overall advancement of the club, they are merely spinning out time to achieve their real goals of turning a profit by winning court cases and as long as they don't have to pay out any more { of someone else's } money, they will drag it out until they have exhausted all litigious options. If supporters are happy to bankroll the club in this period of time then fair play to them for their incredible persistence and patience.

 

[Nick]

It can't be compared to going to the theatre no but if you pay to watch a show and it's shit you aren't going to pay again for the next 7 nights either.
Paying for a season ticket is about showing total unconditional support and putting faith in the football club to do it's utmost to make the experience enjoyable and offer some hope of success over a period of 46 matches. Most football clubs attempt to achieve this goal as they recognise success leads to increased revenues and exciting days for all concerned. Sadly the morons in control of CCFC are not bothered about the overall advancement of the club, they are merely spinning out time to achieve their real goals of turning a profit by winning court cases and as long as they don't have to pay out any more { of someone else's } money, they will drag it out until they have exhausted all litigious options. If supporters are happy to bankroll the club in this period of time then fair play to them for their incredible persistence and patience.

Who pays up front to watch the same show 7 nights in a row?

Would you then sign up to the show's website to tell them week in week out how you won't be going and being a dick to those that do? I doubt that very much.

 

[italiahorse]

We have been informed by Sisu we have to be self sufficient. This we know. My point was that unless we put the money in to support the club the club will continue to whither and die and in my humble opinion it is up to the fans to keep it alive in the hope of better days.
What I can't understand is the theory that NOPM will get rid of Sisu and all is well.
Your analogy of the local restaurant neglects to recognize the emotional attachment we have to the club.
I am not prepared for the club to die.
We know 100% that Fisher is culpable but I also believe that fans who give up on the club are also prepared for the club to die.
I will stand behind this and I will argue we fans must keep the club going.

Surely the club should plan to entertain the fans so they come back?
Can't expect fans to go on a promise they will be entertained ............. again ........... and again ...............
A few continue to buy it but as you can see it's not working.
Time to change, top 2 budget, good manager and the fans will flood back.

 

[ceetee]

It can't be compared to going to the theatre no but if you pay to watch a show and it's shit you aren't going to pay again for the next 7 nights either.
Paying for a season ticket is about showing total unconditional support and putting faith in the football club to do it's utmost to make the experience enjoyable and offer some hope of success over a period of 46 matches. Most football clubs attempt to achieve this goal as they recognise success leads to increased revenues and exciting days for all concerned. Sadly the morons in control of CCFC are not bothered about the overall advancement of the club, they are merely spinning out time to achieve their real goals of turning a profit by winning court cases and as long as they don't have to pay out any more { of someone else's } money, they will drag it out until they have exhausted all litigious options. If supporters are happy to bankroll the club in this period of time then fair play to them for their incredible persistence and patience.

All this is true but one day we all hope that the club will start to become successful again.
It may be as a result of a change of ownership or a change of policy by the current owners (unlikely I know) or some other twist of fate.
When it gets to a stage that people start to return, I just hope they don't criricise those who kept the faith and helped to keep the club alive.
If, on the other hand, the club withers and dies you can blame the owners and all of the people who turned against them because of how they behaved, but don't blame the faithful few

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Surely the club should plan to entertain the fans so they come back?
Can't expect fans to go on a promise they will be entertained ............. again ........... and again ...............
A few continue to buy it but as you can see it's not working.
Time to change, top 2 budget, good manager and the fans will flood back.

I know everything you say is as it should be but we are dealing with the devil and I just want the club to survive.

 

[italiahorse]

I know everything you say is as it should be but we are dealing with the devil and I just want the club to survive.

It will.


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[covcity4life]

the match day experience isnt great with stadium being empty and all.

but checkatrade final shows what football can and should be. now granted you wont get that epic high every week but success is a big part of it.

winning lots of games,having players who are good,scoring goals etc will bring fans back. even in league 2

if we got back to championship would fanbase still be so anti sisu? i bet not!

but its a bit chicken and egg as without blind faith not many tickets will be sold and we might not get the team on pitch we deserve

 

[Grendel]

the match day experience isnt great with stadium being empty and all.

but checkatrade final shows what football can and should be. now granted you wont get that epic high every week but success is a big part of it.

winning lots of games,having players who are good,scoring goals etc will bring fans back. even in league 2

if we got back to championship would fanbase still be so anti sisu? i bet not!

but its a bit chicken and egg as without blind faith not many tickets will be sold and we might not get the team on pitch we deserve

Oh I thought it was all about brand marketing and the need to create demand through consumer offers

 

[skybluetony176]

the match day experience isnt great with stadium being empty and all.

but checkatrade final shows what football can and should be. now granted you wont get that epic high every week but success is a big part of it.

winning lots of games,having players who are good,scoring goals etc will bring fans back. even in league 2

if we got back to championship would fanbase still be so anti sisu? i bet not!

but its a bit chicken and egg as without blind faith not many tickets will be sold and we might not get the team on pitch we deserve

And there's the problem. The blind faith has been beaten out of the fan base. All Simon Gilbert and the CT's fault of course (just making sure someone brought him up. It's obviously down to SISU that the blind faith has been diminished but as every thread seems to be about SG these days I thought I best keep in with the in crowd. Baaaa!).

 

[covcity4life]

Oh I thought it was all about brand marketing and the need to create demand through consumer offers

Well obbiously thats a big part. Espexially with fans of future.

But my post in thisbthread is more addressijg natchbday experience. I feel it eill improve if results go in right waybsimply because of feel goodnfactorm its a big part of itm

Would liasing withnfans help? Sure. Gisnt club created banners and flags or clickers etc mightnhelp too. But withiut it mark robind can us winning and helping match day experience ubtil new owners if ever come. I have faith.

Nice try though hun

 

[skybluejelly]

Well obbiously thats a big part. Espexially with fans of future.

But my post in thisbthread is more addressijg natchbday experience. I feel it eill improve if results go in right waybsimply because of feel goodnfactorm its a big part of itm

Would liasing withnfans help? Sure. Gisnt club created banners and flags or clickers etc mightnhelp too. But withiut it mark robind can us winning and helping match day experience ubtil new owners if ever come. I have faith.

Nice try though hun

Please can you get a new keyboard ..

 

[robbiethemole]

Sorted !!!!

smug bleeder

 

[Astute]

I haven't had a ST for a lot of years. But that is down to other reasons than not wanting to go. But I go when I can. But last season did it for me. Home games were a chore. They were no fun at all. So I ended up going to away games only. The games may have been just as bad but the rest of the day was a good laugh. It was the only thing that kept me going. So I fully understand why others are reluctant to pay for another season that could be just as bad. The vast majority of them are not interested in NOPM. But they have had enough of mediocre players and mediocre games. Then you have the false promises. All trust has been lost.

We are now a division 4 club. But if we can at least compete I will be back to the home games as well as away. If I lived locally I don't think that I would be getting a ST until at least I saw that we had a chance of winning games.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

It can't be compared to going to the theatre can it?

1. You would always pay up front to go to the cinema or theatre anyway.
2. Is not knowing the starting 11 for the first game a new thing?

Every football match is different, I'm not too sure people would pay to watch the same film over and over every week no matter how good it was.

Again, would you then sign up to the show's fan page and post every week how you weren't going to go?

Every season under SISU the team is different , and every season under SISU the team gets worse !

By the way people DO pay to watch a good movie at the cinema over and over again !

And people will go to a show over and over again if it's entertaining !

You see that's the problem , under SISU, the entertainment just gets worse !

For me it's not about N.O.P.M, it's about not being ENTERTAIN !

So this season I'm going to wait and see if Fisher and Co actually assemble a WINNING team before I bye a season ticket !

 

[Monners]

I am going to see Spamalot at the Belgrade in two weeks time.

It had better not be shit.

It isn't. Funny as can be mate. Ni!

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

All this is true but one day we all hope that the club will start to become successful again.
It may be as a result of a change of ownership or a change of policy by the current owners (unlikely I know) or some other twist of fate.
When it gets to a stage that people start to return, I just hope they don't criricise those who kept the faith and helped to keep the club alive.
If, on the other hand, the club withers and dies you can blame the owners and all of the people who turned against them because of how they behaved, but don't blame the faithful few

Your first line says we all "hope" we have all done that since our owners have been here but the only way we have gone has been downwards ,change of policy don't see that coming(leopard and spots) I am not going away like most on here are not but will pick and chose when I want go and not commit to 23+ games a season if I want to be depressed by performances I can do this at home and save lots of money does not hurt as much when you don't see it . I'm fed up of putting my money into this club and getting treated like dirt by our chairman and his friends(our owners) .I don't think there has been or will be any criticism of those who committed to regular support .The club wither and dying don't blame the people who just decided that they want to be entertained for there hard earned money after all this is what football is.

 

[Samo]

What size is the tub.

1''x3'' She likes it to remind her of me when I'm away