I'm comparing to the Ricoh when the club was in Northampton.
I still believe that Sisu only moved us back because they got word of the Wasps deal.
It goes without saying that the negotiations had started with Wasps well before we came back.
Doubt that would be the arrangement. If SISU were to pay for a huge redevelopment of the Butts they aren't going to hand it over to CRFC and then pay them rent to play there.
Personally I would set up a joint venture co set up in such a way that CCFC got the majority of the income, as they would presumably put in the majority of the capital, but ensured that CRFC were at worse on an equal footing as their current deal.
So its OK for a football team to screw over a Rugby team but not the other away around.
And if we're talking about the Butts at the very least didn't leave CRFC worse off.
ensured that CRFC were at worse on an equal footing as their current deal.
So its OK for a football team to screw over a Rugby team but not the other away around.
At the end of the day the council have Screwed CCFC over, but don't kid yourself our owners don't give a fuck about CCFC ether!!
So its OK for a football team to screw over a Rugby team but not the other away around.
I still believe that Sisu only moved us back because they got word of the Wasps deal.
It goes without saying that the negotiations had started with Wasps well before we came back.
Certainly isn't, FWIW.
I know we're talking in IFs, but if CRFC didn't want the football club muscling in on their ground, it'd be time for another poorly attended protest I reckon
If you dont like what he writes dont read it.
You seem happy to give your opinion, which is generally the opposite to Grendels, so why shouldnt he.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/butts-park-arena-deal-secures-3067399
Unless anything has changed since this article then CRFC still have 120 years left on their lease, nothing can be done without their permission, and even if they wanted to join forces with SISU/CCFC in some kind of joint venture then I'd have thought the freeholder, CCC, would have to agree to someone else coming in on the lease.
More like you are shown up as the fool you are time and time again. I thought that the franchise had cemented their place in the city? Instead they peddle lies to cover up their pathetic attendances.
Believer of what?Lies/fool
That coming from the believer
Believer of what?
The CET probably knew and sat on the story for the last 2 years..... you know to keep their pals at County Hall happy.
Nope, far from it. If (not that I think it will) we did go to the Butts then it will certainly need to benefit them and help them. I wouldn't want CCFC muscling in and trying to take everything, it would need to benefit both but help both grow at the same time.
So its OK for a football team to screw over a Rugby team but not the other away around.
I don't believe CRFC are stupid enough to get into bed with Sisu.
At the end of the day the council have Screwed CCFC over, but don't kid yourself our owners don't give a fuck about CCFC ether!!
Yes, we benefit a lot from wasps! All the money we make from their games.Its also OK for a football team to look after a Rugby team for mutual benefit but not the other way round.
Don't always agree with you but I do on this one. I would go further. There were two parties to the deal and I wonder if the then management of ACL were trying to put obstacles in the way of Wasps. After all the guy who did the deal didn't last very long afterwards
Yes, we benefit a lot from wasps! All the money we make from their games.
Yes, we benefit a lot from wasps! All the money we make from their games.
Do you expect us to be benefiting from CRFC games if we own the Butts?
My starting point would be CRFC gets full benefit of any rugby events, CCFC gets any benefit of any football events. The rest then gets split on some basis but if we're assuming CCFC / SISU are in someway funding the redevelopment then they would get most of the benefit.
For me the key point is CRFC are no worse off. If they can make a bit more while we also prosper then everyone is happy.
I would expect both teams to be benefiting. Not just one way. I wouldn't expect ccfc to go in and take any crfc revenue and name them worse off, I'd want them to be better off to make it worthwhile.Do you expect us to be benefiting from CRFC games if we own the Butts?
Do we know whether or not CRFC are worse off since Wasps arrived?
My starting point would be CRFC gets full benefit of any rugby events, CCFC gets any benefit of any football events. The rest then gets split on some basis but if we're assuming CCFC / SISU are in someway funding the redevelopment then they would get most of the benefit.
For me the key point is CRFC are no worse off. If they can make a bit more while we also prosper then everyone is happy.
What if CRFC see it as they're providing the land/lease and no doubt there will be some sort of grant available to them from the EU, RFU or maybe from there own backers for the redevelopment. How do you know that we won't be their tenants and us being their tenant is the motivation they need to redevelop the Butts? For all you know our situation could be worse than the one we're currently in as we're still renting, have limited access to revenue streams and have limited ourselves to a ceiling of 15k a game in ticket revenue.
Why would the EU grant money to Cov RFC to redevelop their ground? Why would the RFU?
I seem to remember that the Ricoh was part funded with grants from everyman and their dog. Why wouldn't similar grants be available for the redevelopment of the Butts?
The Ricoh had £4.4m from European Regional Development Fund and £4.8m from Advantage West Midlands.
To get an ERDF grant the Butts redevelopment would have to qualify as sustainable urban development.
AWM is a lot more vauge, you could get pretty much anything to meet their requirements so I guess its more down to if they want to support your project or not.
I seem to remember that the Ricoh was part funded with grants from everyman and their dog. Why wouldn't similar grants be available for the redevelopment of the Butts?
So it is possible then that the Butts will receive grants for development. As I also said how do you know that it won't be CRFC doing the development and we'll be their tenants? It is possible. Might also explain the lack of ambition where capacity is concerned, CRFC don't need a 25k stadium and in all likelihood never will. We possibly might on the other hand.
The Ricoh had £4.4m from European Regional Development Fund and £4.8m from Advantage West Midlands.
To get an ERDF grant the Butts redevelopment would have to qualify as sustainable urban development.
AWM is a lot more vauge, you could get pretty much anything to meet their requirements so I guess its more down to if they want to support your project or not.
Not sure about that chief, AWM and the other Regional Development Agencies were abolished in 2010. The local enterprise partnership may be able to draw down European money, but I doubt redeveloping an existing stadium would qualify.
Its possible of course, we don't know any of the details so pretty much anything is possible. For all we know it could be a 80K underground stadium
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