Take the knee (25 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You see versions of it all around Asia. The use predates the Nazis and is a symbol of good luck in many Asian religions and culture.

As did western use of it. If you know where to look in the cathedral ruins you'll see swastikas.

But that's different to the perception of it here and in much of the western world.

 

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[shmmeee]

The real question is what if a player refused to do it?

Plenty have. Nothings happened.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No. I think it makes it a Black Panther Party salute

Which would still make you wrong.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Plenty have. Nothings happened.

Who has? Do you mean whole teams or individual players?

 

[Otis]

We are going off on tangent again.

I just wonder, if this was the City and the players had released the same statement the day before the game, how many of our fans would have booed?

For one, I don't think there would have been any organised protest and two, if anyone did, you would barely hear them.

I know they said it was just a minority yesterday, but it was awfully loud. It was definitely a lot more than a handful.

I do think if our players came out in solidarity over it, the fans would at least respect it here.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We are going off on tangent again.

I just wonder, if this was the City and the players had released the same statement the day before the game, how many of our fans would have booed?

For one, I don't think there would have been any organised protest and too, if anyone did, you would barely hear them.

I know they said it was just a minority yesterday, but it was awfully loud. It was definitely a lot more than a handful.

I do think if our players came out in solidarity over it, the fans would at least respect it here.

We are indeed. Nobody here but one has sided with the booing and it didn't sound like a minority at Millwall either. Their fan reaction seems pretty unambiguous on it also.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I sincerely hope we wouldn’t be like them, especially if the players released a statement saying they are not aligned with any organisation and are just showing their support for racial equality.

 

[Otis]

I sincerely hope we wouldn’t be like them, especially if the players released a statement saying they are not aligned with any organisation and are just showing their support for racial equality.

Exactly.

You can actually see one or two of the Millwall players looking towards the stands rather baffled.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Didn’t take that roaster too long to get involved with his low hanging fruit

 

[clint van damme]

Didn’t take that roaster too long to get involved with his low hanging fruit

Oh Ben you daft Nazi....

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I heard you're now banned from Millsys as you pissed yourself last time you were in there? It was only half 5 as well they tell me.

That walk of shame back to the spon end flats must of been a treat for you.

This forum has an array of characters, but you seem to be in a special minority that manages to embarras themselves nearly every time they post something.

 

[Otis]

This forum has an array of characters, but you seem to be in a special minority that manages to embarras themselves nearly every time they post something.

Minority??

 

[Grendel]

This forum has an array of characters, but you seem to be in a special minority that manages to embarras themselves nearly every time they post something.

I know - as if he’d be allowed anywhere near Millsys

 

[shmmeee]

Didn’t take that roaster too long to get involved with his low hanging fruit

Fucking Turning Point. Fuck off back to Yank land ya bunch of cut price Nazis. Just noticed the Union Flag emoji as well. You aren’t fucking British ya chancers!

 

[Evo1883]

The problem has arisen because people associate the movement with the actual political organisation... Ultimately that won't change now as its too far gone and like I said earlier alot of people don't genuinely take any notice of the kneeling etc anymore anyway...

The message is actually being lost isn't it? Different approach needed?

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

The difference for me is one player has gone on one knee and raised an arm. The other has stood up and raised an arm.

The idea was that all players are supposed to go on one knee. Solidarity from all involved. Saying we are all the same. If a white player stood alone he would get slaughtered. A black player stands alone and he gets defended and even praised by some.

I don't have a problem with it myself. But those who do have a problem with it are given plenty of ammunition. At least it brings it back into the spotlight as it has now become something that just happens and not something thought provoking.

Exactly what astute says here, Kazim Richards standing doing the black power salute is not what black lives matter stands for. Millwall fans were being racist, not for the first time, but for the movement to stay relevant, and to make a difference, every player should take the knee and not confuse the issue.

 

[Otis]

I think it is better if they all stay on point.

 

[Jamesimus]

Exactly what astute says here, Kazim Richards standing doing the black power salute is not what black lives matter stands for. Millwall fans were being racist, not for the first time, but for the movement to stay relevant, and to make a difference, every player should take the knee and not confuse the issue.

I kind of understand what you're saying in confusing the message (hey, some people seem easily confused by it!), but I don't think it's really up to us to dictate the behaviour of people this effects.

 

[Astute]

I kind of understand what you're saying in confusing the message (hey, some people seem easily confused by it!), but I don't think it's really up to us to dictate the behaviour of people this effects.

I think this has gone straight over your head.

It is the perceived angle. It is the hidden racism being aimed at. It is the racism in people that they sometimes don't even notice they have.

The message is supposed to be we are all the same. All on one knee together. Then we have one other towering above all others doing some sort of salute which is down to debate on its meaning. It distracts from the point being made and gives ammunition to those who want it. It is nothing to do with dictating to those who suffer from the effects of racism.

Since moving to where I now live I have seen another angle of racism. At first I couldn't believe how open people were. Got into a fair few debates and arguments. Then I met a black person. Ends up he was the first black person in the area we know of. The next were his kids. The first time we were in a pub together someone came up to us and asked him where he was visiting from. Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.

Things are much better here now but we have a long way to go still. The message needs to be we are all the same. And there is one good reason for this. We are.

 

[Otis]

I kind of understand what you're saying in confusing the message (hey, some people seem easily confused by it!), but I don't think it's really up to us to dictate the behaviour of people this effects.

But if some take the knee, some stand up, some stand up and do the fist, what if someone else decides to stand as if in chains, someone else decides to lie down, someone else decides to stand and cross their arms as if they are dead?

Then you what you've got is a tableau.

 

[David O'Day]

Plenty have. Nothings happened.

There was a few of the England Rugby team who didn't yesterday.

 

[shmmeee]

I think this has gone straight over your head.

It is the perceived angle. It is the hidden racism being aimed at. It is the racism in people that they sometimes don't even notice they have.

The message is supposed to be we are all the same. All on one knee together. Then we have one other towering above all others doing some sort of salute which is down to debate on its meaning. It distracts from the point being made and gives ammunition to those who want it. It is nothing to do with dictating to those who suffer from the effects of racism.

Since moving to where I now live I have seen another angle of racism. At first I couldn't believe how open people were. Got into a fair few debates and arguments. Then I met a black person. Ends up he was the first black person in the area we know of. The next were his kids. The first time we were in a pub together someone came up to us and asked him where he was visiting from. Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.

Things are much better here now but we have a long way to go still. The message needs to be we are all the same. And there is one good reason for this. We are.

I think you’re reading too much into the kneeling. Originally it was a protest about standing for the national anthem, nothing to do with equality and not demanding others do the same. Then it became a generic gesture for racial equality.

Same with people who have an issue with the raised fist. Unless you seriously think Fanky Dabo is calling for a black ethnostate then it’s most likely just a sign of solidarity with fellow block people.

Occams Razor guys, the world isn’t full of radical Marxists. Or Corbyn wouldn’t have lost so badly

 

[David O'Day]

I guess Tony is wrong as he thinks the black glove makes it a Black Power salute. Who is right about what Black Power can mean as a slogan, DOD or MLK?

I'm talking about the man who they are copying when doing the raised fist salute.

Why are you doing this weird flex again were you start to argue about something completely different? I have not talked and am not talking about the slogan black power.

 

[David O'Day]

That's how he intended it. It doesn't mean it hasn't been hijacked and the message altered in the meantime. As I said before the Swastika is a symbol of peace. Given Coventry is a city of peace and reconciliation should we start putting swastika's up around the place? Or do you think Hitler and neo-Nazi's using it for other means might have a bit of an effect on how people view it?

Only person hijacking anything here is you and BSB. If you asked Marcus Rashford I'd be pretty sure he isn't raising his fist in support of Huey P and the BPP.

The are copying a famous picture of two men who aren't giving a black power salute,

 

[David O'Day]

The guys who wore the glove at the Olympic s said they did it as a spontaneous act as they did not want to shake hands with the guy who headed the Olympic committee due to racist behaviour in his past. Still big Tone knows better than the people who did the salute

This isn't true. It was planned before had and this is borne out by both mens statements and the other protest items they have on such as the scarf and beads they wore. Peter Norman the Aussie who finished 2nd also wear a OPHR badge as part of the protest.

With particular regards to the gloves, these were definitely pre planned. If you look at the picture the you see they are sharing a pair of gloves and this is because John Carlos forgot his pair and left them at the athletes village so Peter Norman suggested they have 1 glove each. He did this while the we discussing it prior to the ceremony.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

There was a few of the England Rugby team who didn't yesterday.

Without a press meltdown as soon as a footballer makes the same choice all hell will break loose.

 

[skybluetony176]

Without a press meltdown as soon as a footballer makes the same choice all hell will break loose.

Millwall previously didn’t take the knee this season and FA was said more than a passing comment. Other teams haven’t also.

 

[Jamesimus]

I think this has gone straight over your head.

It is the perceived angle. It is the hidden racism being aimed at. It is the racism in people that they sometimes don't even notice they have.

The message is supposed to be we are all the same. All on one knee together. Then we have one other towering above all others doing some sort of salute which is down to debate on its meaning. It distracts from the point being made and gives ammunition to those who want it. It is nothing to do with dictating to those who suffer from the effects of racism.

Since moving to where I now live I have seen another angle of racism. At first I couldn't believe how open people were. Got into a fair few debates and arguments. Then I met a black person. Ends up he was the first black person in the area we know of. The next were his kids. The first time we were in a pub together someone came up to us and asked him where he was visiting from. Racism is what we talk about the most after football. What he sees as a racist remark doesn't register as racism by many.

Things are much better here now but we have a long way to go still. The message needs to be we are all the same. And there is one good reason for this. We are.

It hasn't gone over my head, but I understand what you mean re: how things are perceived.

 

[David O'Day]

Without a press meltdown as soon as a footballer makes the same choice all hell will break loose.

The whole QPR team doesn't do it

 

[Grendel]

Opinion | Why Two Black Athletes Raised Their Fists During the Anthem (Published 2018)

In 1968, two black Olympic athletes protested during the “Star-Spangled Banner.” Few understood the message they were trying to send.

www.google.co.uk

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Les Ferdinand was correct over 2 months ago when he defended QPR for not taking the knee against City....I think all the clubs should bin it off now....if individual players wish to do so before KO, then thats all fine & dandy......but as a team thing, it all looks so half-hearted, half-arsed....just going through the motions....it now appears as nothing more than a yet another tick-box PR platitude.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Exactly.

You can actually see one or two of the Millwall players looking towards the stands rather baffled.

Will be interesting to

I'm talking about the man who they are copying when doing the raised fist salute.

Why are you doing this weird flex again were you start to argue about something completely different? I have not talked and am not talking about the slogan black power.

The slogan and gesture are about the same thing, no weird flexing going on.

 

[David O'Day]

Ferdinand was wrong 2 months ago and is still wrong now.

if you stop bringing attention to the systematic racism that still pollutes society then society will sweep it under the carpet as seen after the original take the knee protests in the US.

 

[David O'Day]

Will be interesting to


The slogan and gesture are about the same thing, no weird flexing going on.

No they are not as explained to you at great detail.

 

[David O'Day]

Mahlon Romeo angry and hurt by those Millwall fans who booed ‘taking the knee’ gesture

Mahlon Romeo has revealed his hurt and anger at the behaviour of some Millwall fans who booed the players ‘taking the knee’ before today’s home game against Derby County.

londonnewsonline.co.uk