Lib Dems just delusional. Independents were the main beneficiary of the protest vote.
These local elections are not a reliable barometer for long-term politics. Turnout usually poor. Labour dodged a bullet by no Scottish council elections - that would have been a bloodbath for SNP.
Lib Dems are barely polling 10% in the EU election polls.
By the time next GE comes round UK will be out of EU in some form or other and the Remain issue will be sidelined. What could become an issue is after a couple of years people aren't satisfied that May/Corbyn "solution" is working then we could end up revisiting the whole saga again.
What’s Robinson got to ukip
An advisor. He is their advisor as Party rules forbid him membership.
They are the biggest liars in politics
I understand comprehension when it makes sense and isn’t from a rabid mad bigot like you.
So the parties who have leave in their manifesto and to honour the result will score the same as the Lib Dem’s the greens and that other hapless bunch of losers with Heidi and chukka - is they what you are saying?
He’s not standing for them. What percentage vote did they get at the last general election?
Based on what?
He is standing as an independent for the reason I have already given. The last general election is history, as is the Brexit referendum. Their EU MEPS have been reduced by Farage swapping parties. Awaits the cry of traitor... should give up his mandate.... etc etc. Long wait. Soubry and co were pilloried by the same people who stay silent when the leader switches sides.
They are the biggest liars in politics
You really make it up as you go along don’t you. Shall I get Nigel’s autograph for you? Signed photo to put on your bedside table.
No no no.......... I think your leader is a contender for that honour... and if you go international, his bedfellow in the USA has beaten the 10000 lie mark in his presidency already. World record even for politicians.
No reply then.
Lib Undems as you call them want a democratic vote on what leave actually means
Look at the video - i know you struggle with technology and links to files - I’m sure Mart will help you - perhaps you can discover the answer together
No Tony, they want to stop Brexit.
An 8% rise in their share of the vote from the last time these particular elections were held (2015) to just 19% is not that good a result in the context of the national dissatisfaction with the 2 major partie The fact is they normally average around 15-16% in these particular council elections. In fact only takes them back to 2017 levels.Local elections are not a referendum on the EU. But, there’s no way you can say that the Liberals didn’t have a good result. The fact that people used them as a protest vote and hammered UKIP shows that being 100% remain didn’t frighten voters off. Which it would have done if the will of the people really was purely for Brexit.
They want to give the public an opportunity to change their mind once what leave actually means has been established. The right to change your mind is democracy.
So you think Nicholas Clegg was an honest man?
Oh dear Tony dear - no what I said and I thought even a dumbo like you would grasp it - is their Manifesto was to leave and if this is a brexit protest vote it failed badly as most votes went to parties honouring the referendum
Dumb and dumber at it again
Here it is again just for you Grendull as you seem to have forgotten what you said in a matter of hours. You should probably seek a medical opinion on that.
Aside from highlighting what you said in bold and underlining it your post is unedited so it maintains context. You said it. If you’ve now changed your mind fair play but at least have the dignity to admit it rather than pretending you didn’t say it in the first place.
An 8% rise in their share of the vote from the last time these particular elections were held (2015) to just 19% is not that good a result in the context of the national dissatisfaction with the 2 major partie The fact is they normally average around 15-16% in these particular council elections. In fact only takes them back to 2017 levels.
Main gains were for independents which should be a concern for Lib Dems as they still weren't first option for many "protest" voters. Lib Dems campaigned as a Remain protest vote whilst Labour was actually focusing on domestic issues primarily austerity issue.
The 2 main Brexit parties couldn't field candidates ( and they are currently polling around 40% for Euro elections).
UKIP barely fielded any candidates compared to last elections. Also reflects their association as not being just a Brexit party but something more unpleasant and to the far right of British politics.
Just a quote from someone else ( a different take ):
„All declared now (20:45)
Tories 3562 (-1332)
Labour 2021 (-81)
LibDems 1344 (+700)
Independents 1044 (+606)
UKIP 31 (-145)
Greens 265 (+194)
LibDems & Greens both out-performed best expectations by a lot.
Labour under-performed by 600, & Tories by 850.
They'll both be panicking.“
The greens are also pro remain. You didn’t include them.
Greens have a very definite campaign for local elections. Didn't campaign for those wanting to protest 2 main parties or Brexit.The greens are also pro remain. You didn’t include them.
Greens have a very definite campaign for local elections. Didn't campaign for those wanting to protest 2 main parties or Brexit.
Interested to know whose quote it is.
Labour & those tories wanting a quick, soft Brexit will be panicking.
These elections will soon be forgotten with a Euro election campaign.
On a domestic national level only a complete meltdown (or split tory party) will improve Lib dem fortunes. Although they would take more seats the the independent group could easily end up with a similar % of total vote.
GE would be fought on domestic issues where Lib dems consistently fail to make an impact with the electorate
Never happen.Yes, but would they get enough to form a Lb Lab coalition? Even if we have left the EU by the next election the story will not be over. There are years of negotiations to come plus probable economic damage to contend with. Remain will become rejoin.
Never happen.
More likely leave to become completely leave as people realize that they don't have a say whilst paying the bill.
EU quite clear that to rejoin UK would have to start at the bottom , no rebate and no veto. Questionable as to whether would be allowed not to have to join Euro.
Both the Tories and Labour are remain parties. The problem is the voters. Nobody knows where the majority is with them. So neither party can go all out on remain.Oh. You mean the two parties who are as split as the rest of the country, can’t get a consensus through parliament, have had numerous MP’s leave to form a new remain party and have largely been branded as traitors to brexit on many forums such as question time every week for at least a year if not longer and most notably in writing on spoiled ballot papers last night. You’re clutching at straws if you’re trying to claim that either is a remain party. They’re split.
Yet you voted for Farage :smuggrin:Funny isn’t it. I always told him his politics was closer to Ferages than mine and he used to take it as an insult and get angry. Faux anger as it turned out. Ferage is the man, apparently.
Both the Tories and Labour are remain parties. The problem is the voters. Nobody knows where the majority is with them. So neither party can go all out on remain.
I suppose it is OK for Bliar to have blood on his hands because he is a remainer.....Farage is not raising concerns about non integration, he is sowing division. Blair wasn’t a racist trying to wind people up about immigration to get votes.
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