Grendel
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He can’t influence parliament though so what point are you making?
Privatisation really began under Labour anyway
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He can’t influence parliament though so what point are you making?
Privatisation really began under Labour anyway
I wasn’t making a point I was just trying to explain to Astute that he had drawn something else from my post.
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fernandopartridge
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Yes, that is nearly 50:50 by any reasonable assessment. As per my point, parts of the country voted one way and parts another. Therefore whoever was in power needed to work to get a proper consensus over what Brexit actually meant in practice, that idiot May didn't with her array of useless straplines like "No deal is better than a bad deal"....
“No deal is better than a bad deal” and the ridiculous misconception that no deal represents some kind of bargaining leverage have turned a difficult situation into a nightmare.
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Astute
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The majority of England voted leave. Look at the colour of the map.
England voted 53.4% against 46.6% remain. The turnout in England was also higher than the average turnout quoted. So England had a near 7% difference.
15,188,406 people in England voted leave. 13,266,996 people voted remain in England.
This is why the parties are worried.
A quarter of the total remain votes collected from the whole of the UK came from Greater London. That left somewhere about 9m from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and the rest of England combined.
Or to take it as the complete UK. Out of 381 voting districts 270 of them returned a leave majority. Even worse when you consider nearly every Irish district and every Scottish district voted remain.
Yep.
Oddly there doesn’t seem to have been much debate as to why the contrast is so stark.
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Astute
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To me it is that people in England have more chance of putting 1+1 together and being able to blame the EU for their problems because most people come to live in England.
So then it is how much on the scale you believe this to be true.
Makes no difference isn't true.
Makes all the difference isn't true.
The truth is somewhere in the middle of the two. Go for the top one you are a rabid remainer. If you go for the bottom one you are a bullshitting Brexiteer.
That implies it was all about immigration which some people are at pains to say it wasn’t.
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The other issue is non EU migration is very likely to go up after leaving so it’s solved nothing. The government will keep immigration going because it boosts the economy and the average age in the U.K. is too high to sustain the NHS and pensions system.
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Astute
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It will have been to many if not most. Because you can end up categorizing most things to immigration. As in higher population means more needed of everything. But that doesn't always put people into that category.
But there was many that voted remain that also had this view. Not everyone who voted remain thinks being in the EU is brilliant. I am one of them. I can see the faults but think the benefits outweigh them.
Astute
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Agreed. Always have done. But at least we could control this kind of immigration if we wanted to. But when someone else is in charge of your policies you never get the choice. This.is what the average voter sees.
Grendel
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Not really
Astute post didn’t imply it was all down to immigration or people aren’t at pains to say it wasn’t?
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Astute
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What reasons were given?
Grendel
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Are you at pains to say it wasn’t?
Grendel
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Ah ok then
Sky Blue Pete
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Anyone triggering no deal will have destroyed their career
True but will the pressure push them to do it anyway?
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Grendel
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In reality there is no such thing as a no deal?
Not really. More about the pace of transition and what’s set up beforehand. No deal is really shorthand for ‘leave as soon as possible’ I guess.
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Grendel
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And resolve the trade issue very quickly afterwards
Sky Blue Pete
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All agreed yep. No deal arrangements in government are significant for my area. Huge implications on customs and vat and priorities to ensure trade continues unhindered
How quickly can it be done though? Seems to take years but circumstances will be exceptional.
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Sky Blue Pete
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Fox is on it lol
SkyblueBazza
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So your Council says it is increasing your Council Tax & you will have to pay £500/yr extra - upon reasonable assessment you wouldn't mind if they actually charged you an extra £512 instead?
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Eh?!? If they were increasing my council tax by £41.67 a month, I wouldn't really be that bothered if they were increasing it by that or £42.67 a month, no.
SkyblueBazza
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Glad you are getting some perspective. 51~48 seems to you not much. But put actual numbers to it (>1m people) & it becomes something bigger.
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Sick Boy
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Actually, no it doesn’t.
The point is the number sounding big is irrelevant because as a percentage it’s relatively small, less than 2%.
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SkyblueBazza
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You & Sicko will be telling the holocaust was just a few Jews next
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skybluetony176
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60% of European Jews died in the holocaust. You’re making a very bad point in even poorer taste. Shame on you.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
What a lowlife scumbag comment, pretty much sums you up you vile c**t.