skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
The government has just lost a vote on handing over conversations by government members and staff regarding Brexit and they’re quoting the EU human rights as a reason not to do it. Priceless.
And have regressed to going on about ‘the squeaker’.
Then they grew up
The government has just lost a vote on handing over conversations by government members and staff regarding Brexit and they’re quoting the EU human rights as a reason not to do it. Priceless.
In what is in essence a 2 party system would a young person vote for the party that:
1. Provides real terms cuts to education budgets
2. Takes away EMA and maintenance grants
3. Hikes tuition fees
4. Denies living wages to the under 25s
5. Cuts funding for youth services
Or one that pledges the opposite alongside many other popular policies? The real question is why do so many vote for a party that openly pledges to shaft the public
Like it or not, it’s about the only ‘leverage’ we have though Fernando. Obviously not the amount that is truly owed (never seen the actual number) but there is an additional amount that is up for discussion and I’m sure would cause some pain/effect if it wasn’t paid.It reminds me of that exceedingly richer character in Harry Enfield "Yow don't have to speak the lingo, the only language these people understand is the language of money"
The obsession with not paying the £39bn shows that obsession is on our side.
How many migrants from the EU are homeowners? Report I've read suggests 42% compared with 69% of the UK born population. Whilst migration has had an impact the biggest issue is cost and under supply of housing + oversupply of cheap money (the buy to let boom) are equally as big a problem.Bit of a narrow view BSB ! I agree though that if the Tories want to stay relevant they need to do more to secure the young vote. You’re correct it isn’t just about tuition fees bribe, it’s about hope and owning your own property. Two things the tories ‘should’ be able to address for them.
What I have always found interesting though is that the young voted overwhelming for remain, yet open borders has certainly not helped house prices (one of, if not, the main issue). Without calculating the precise numbers Im guessing net migration over the past 20 years has been 5m minimum (not counting additional births). People will say ‘build more houses’ but even if successive governments (labour and tories) had pushed for more it’s very difficult to build enough to meet that kind of additional demand. I’ve not checked the correlation with average house prices but of course there would be some due to basic supply and demand.
To be fair to the Tories they have also addressed the ‘buy to let’ issue to try to free up more housing stock.
Ps the above isn’t an anti immigration rant. I’ve always said controlled migration is good for the country but when the infrastructure/public services can’t keep pace, it then becomes a problem
How many migrants from the EU are homeowners? Report I've read suggests 42% compared with 69% of the UK born population. Whilst migration has had an impact the biggest issue is cost and under supply of housing + oversupply of cheap money (the buy to let boom) are equally as big a problem.
I read an interesting book about the big housebuilders and their absolute control over the market. Still, they're all donors so nothing to see here....
Bit of a narrow view BSB ! I agree though that if the Tories want to stay relevant they need to do more to secure the young vote. You’re correct it isn’t just about tuition fees bribe, it’s about hope and owning your own property. Two things the tories ‘should’ be able to address for them.
What I have always found interesting though is that the young voted overwhelming for remain, yet open borders has certainly not helped house prices (one of, if not, the main issue). Without calculating the precise numbers Im guessing net migration over the past 20 years has been 5m minimum (not counting additional births). People will say ‘build more houses’ but even if successive governments (labour and tories) had pushed for more it’s very difficult to build enough to meet that kind of additional demand. I’ve not checked the correlation with average house prices but of course there would be some due to basic supply and demand.
To be fair to the Tories they have also addressed the ‘buy to let’ issue to try to free up more housing stock.
Ps the above isn’t an anti immigration rant. I’ve always said controlled migration is good for the country but when the infrastructure/public services can’t keep pace, it then becomes a problem
Ps not been much (if any !) good news lately so positive that July economic figures were far more positive than expected. Pound is finally going a little bit in the right direction as well....makes a change !
Either way an extra 250k-300k needing housing every year would not have helped suppress house prices !
I’m might be wrong but do the non EU migration numbers include a significant proportion of students ?I agree. Which makes one wonder why non-EU migration hasn’t been tackled and why we have made little effort to utilise the existing EU powers we had to manage migration from there.
I’d read something similar yesterday. As he’s not got a majority anyway he doesn’t need to be as concerned about the DUP supportBBC news suggesting that Boris’ “big plan” is May’s deal Mk1. The one that the DUP rejected saying that Northern Ireland can’t be different from the rest of the U.K.
Yeah the pound went up of the back of Parliament voting to block no deal.
I’m might be wrong but do the non EU migration numbers include a significant proportion of students ?
Also I think I have mentioned on here before the current EU powers are limited and I’m guessing are a legal nightmare to implement as from memory it relates to the individual ‘contributing to society’ (after a specific period ie three months) so I guess even a very low paid job would count. I’m not knocking that but my point being that even with these EU powers its v difficult to control numbers
Also I think I have mentioned on here before the current EU powers are limited and I’m guessing are a legal nightmare to implement as from memory it relates to the individual ‘contributing to society’ (after a specific period ie three months) so I guess even a very low paid job would count. I’m not knocking that but my point being that even with these EU powers its v difficult to control numbers
That was last week. The economic figures today helped today (remember there’s still a lot of noise about Johnson wriggling out of the blocking of no deal - can’t see it myself though)
Even if students are included this still places strain on residential housing as a wander through Coventry will show. It is also quite within our remit to control it but because they bring in much more money it has gone unfettered.
In general has the pound fared better or worse due to Brexit?
It’s about being able to support yourself and not being a burden on the state.
You need to produce an employment, property rental contract and a couple of pay slips from that country.
In Italy the police then come to your house and check you live there and check your documents.
The UK is a sharp contrast to that.
But as I say, most have some form of work.
I take the point though (and as I alluded to earlier) we haven’t properly controlled our borders for years
I haven’t suggested it’s the only issue and am fully aware of the house builders/developers hoarding land (I think there’s been talk of bringing in laws of having to build on development land within a sensible period which would be worth exploring), however, 42% is still a lot of people and the other 58% would have helped support the ‘buy to let’ boom !
Either way an extra 250k-300k needing housing every year would not have helped suppress house prices !
Bit of a narrow view BSB ! I agree though that if the Tories want to stay relevant they need to do more to secure the young vote. You’re correct it isn’t just about tuition fees bribe, it’s about hope and owning your own property. Two things the tories ‘should’ be able to address for them.
What I have always found interesting though is that the young voted overwhelming for remain, yet open borders has certainly not helped house prices (one of, if not, the main issue). Without calculating the precise numbers Im guessing net migration over the past 20 years has been 5m minimum (not counting additional births). People will say ‘build more houses’ but even if successive governments (labour and tories) had pushed for more it’s very difficult to build enough to meet that kind of additional demand. I’ve not checked the correlation with average house prices but of course there would be some due to basic supply and demand.
To be fair to the Tories they have also addressed the ‘buy to let’ issue to try to free up more housing stock.
Ps the above isn’t an anti immigration rant. I’ve always said controlled migration is good for the country but when the infrastructure/public services can’t keep pace, it then becomes a problem
If the money they brought in was invested in the right areas...Even if students are included this still places strain on residential housing as a wander through Coventry will show. It is also quite within our remit to control it but because they bring in much more money it has gone unfettered.
All?Nothing wrong with my comprehension. My point is that all exit polls in 2017 showed that all 18-24 year old were more likely to vote for Corbyn, not just the 30% that go to university between the ages of 18-21. Same goes for remain.
And biased enough to only be critical to one side.Young enough not to have lost my marbles, old enough to be able to vote, intelligent enough to have developed the power of critical thought.
Any chance of the whole truth?It’s about being able to support yourself and not being a burden on the state.
You need to produce an employment, property rental contract and a couple of pay slips from that country.
In Italy the police then come to your house and check you live there and check your documents.
The UK is a sharp contrast to that.
lolAnd biased enough to only be critical to one side.
He has to keep reminding himself how balanced he is
Any chance of the whole truth?
The EU has ruled that those landing on the shores of Italy are not allowed to leave. The EU doesn't want them heading for the north of Europe. So now Italy tries to stop them from landing. They would prefer them to drown.
France doesn't have this problem. No proof of employment needed. No payslips. Good job as the wife has retired at 52.
Nobody has come to our house. No documents have been checked. Birth certificate copies and a copy of immunisations were needed for starting school. Proof of address and proof of who you are to open up bank accounts. That is it.
All?
Work out the maths. 30% go to uni. So only 21% of the remaining 70% remaining is needed. So of course the younger vote goes to those who promise them what they want.
It is easy to promise something that you most probably not be able to give.
All?
Work out the maths. 30% go to uni. So only 21% of the remaining 70% remaining is needed. So of course the younger vote goes to those who promise them what they want.
It is easy to promise something that you most probably not be able to give.
Name everything you have been critical of that is remain.
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