You make a lot of assumptions about leavers.
I see lots of angry remoaners , the same way as you see leavers . Do the remainers know what they voted for other than to keep things the same , whatever that involves ? I don't think so.More observations of the leave campaigns both official and unofficial and the angry leavers I see every week in the audience (and sometimes panel) on question time who insist that they know what they voted for and leave means leave than assumptions.
Struth, some of you people believe every word. No wonder you are generally baffled. Though it makes me wonder why you are also so entrenched that I find myself offering counter arguments so frequently.We were told it would be the easiest negotiation in history by the man who initially led negotiations
I still don't understand how these TV adverts and Gov.uk can say we are leaving on the 31st October, when it's not 100% confirmed?
tbf it's the date set down.
I'm more annoyed that the adverts don't actually *say* anything, so all they're doing is wasting cash - although given the standard of them, I guess it's not much cash!
I'm in the wrong industry.£100M.
I see lots of angry remoaners , the same way as you see leavers . Do the remainers know what they voted for other than to keep things the same , whatever that involves ? I don't think so.
But they would not be the same because of the unwavering desire of the generally faceless EU to edge ever closer to a fully federalist state. Did the original voter in the '75 referendum really vote for what the EC moved on to become??? So did the remain voters know fully what they would have been letting themselves in for? Of course they didn't other than generally going along with what the EU wants to do.I see lots of angry remoaners , the same way as you see leavers . Do the remainers know what they voted for other than to keep things the same , whatever that involves ? I don't think so.
One of the first articles in my local paper after the 1975 vote was that now the UK was part of the EEC, there was an increasing likelihood that there would be a single European Currency in the near future, now that Britain was a part of it.Did the original voter in the '75 referendum really vote for what the EC moved on to become???
Do remainers know what the EU will become in the next 20 years ? For every criticism of leavers, they can throw the same back at remainers, so it's pretty pointless really.But they would not be the same because of the unwavering desire of the generally faceless EU to edge ever closer to a fully federalist state. Did the original voter in the '75 referendum really vote for what the EC moved on to become??? So did the remain voters know fully what they would have been letting themselves in for? Of course they didn't other than generally going along with what the EU wants to do.
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Those ads are a bit ominous. I'm toying with the idea of stocking up on a years worth of beer just in case things do go tits up.
Do remainers know what the EU will become in the next 20 years ? For every criticism of leavers, they can throw the same back at remainers, so it's pretty pointless really.
I put my repeat prescription in early.
Those ads are a bit ominous. I'm toying with the idea of stocking up on a years worth of beer just in case things do go tits up.
That we are aware ofThere’s nowhere near enough agreements in place. Not to even cover a fraction of what would be lost.
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“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.
“Someone has to bring a complaint and say that their interests have been hurt.”
can't see it being long before such a complaint arises, the articles give plausible examples.
Which is not the same thingWe were told it would be the easiest negotiation in history by the man who initially led negotiations
Yes...the key being AFTER the voteOne of the first articles in my local paper after the 1975 vote was that now the UK was part of the EEC, there was an increasing likelihood that there would be a single European Currency in the near future, now that Britain was a part of it.
Seems our joining was the catalyst, and there's a certain re-invention going on.
No they don't - but my suspicion is that many leavers are imagining that for the longer term future, in just the same way that remainers are imagining what they sprak of for the short term future.Do remainers know what the EU will become in the next 20 years ? For every criticism of leavers, they can throw the same back at remainers, so it's pretty pointless really.
But you like many others falling prey to the scaremongering of reports about WTO is just as "fake news" as anything levelled at Bojo's efforts really. It is just as feasible that there would not be any complaints raised as it is that there would be!
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Part the reason I left this thread is it was going round in circles but I think it's fair to say that on at least a dozen occasions I asked what benefits there would be to operating almost entirely under WTO rules and none was forthcoming
And as I'm sure has been answered before, it's better than May's sell-out deal and also probably better than Boris' warmed-over May sell-out deal but that remains to be seen yet.
Because May's deal would keep Britain in the EU in everything but name as you already know.How is it better?
And as I'm sure has been answered before, it's better than May's sell-out deal and also probably better than Boris' warmed-over May sell-out deal but that remains to be seen yet.
Because May's deal would keep Britain in the EU in everything but name as you already know.
So how would WTO be better than that?
I thought you had left?Part the reason I left this thread is it was going round in circles but I think it's fair to say that on at least a dozen occasions I asked what benefits there would be to operating almost entirely under WTO rules and none was forthcoming, (you're welcome to trawl through if you don't believe me).
There's a reason every country in the world tries to get trade deals Signed.
And it isn't feasible that no complaints would be forthcoming. The article paints a scenario using the example of Brazilian beef. There's a reason for that, Brazil wants to sell into our food markets in exchange for a trade deal which would end up crossing the border to the republic and a complaint would be lodged.
watch the BBC documentary the foreign office if you don't believe me.
We cannot get trade deals signed until we leave the EU. We can agree them in principle, but we would be foolish to make details of them available to all & sundry (except with agreement just to be able to emphasise the point of their possibility)Part the reason I left this thread is it was going round in circles but I think it's fair to say that on at least a dozen occasions I asked what benefits there would be to operating almost entirely under WTO rules and none was forthcoming, (you're welcome to trawl through if you don't believe me).
There's a reason every country in the world tries to get trade deals Signed.
And it isn't feasible that no complaints would be forthcoming. The article paints a scenario using the example of Brazilian beef. There's a reason for that, Brazil wants to sell into our food markets in exchange for a trade deal which would end up crossing the border to the republic and a complaint would be lodged.
watch the BBC documentary the foreign office if you don't believe me.
We cannot get trade deals signed until we leave the EU. We can agree them in principle, but we would be foolish to make details of them available to all & sundry (except with agreement just to be able to emphasise the point of their possibility)
Are you pretending not to have a clue or do you really not have a clue?Switzerland is part of the single market.
No I haven't changed my time. You don't like my tune so you choose to listen to the tune you like. You refuse to give my tune a chance.You’ve changed your tune.
Switzerland are part of EFTA and Schengen. We aren’t and won’t be. Switzerland has followed a beaten path. We’re making it up as we go along.
The question was leave or remain. It would take a real thick twat to not know what leave or remain meant.More observations of the leave campaigns both official and unofficial and the angry leavers I see every week in the audience (and sometimes panel) on question time who insist that they know what they voted for and leave means leave than assumptions.
It was all known about well in advance. But the politicians of the day were too scared to tell us the truth. We covered this in detail before. We voted on remaining in the EEC because it was all about trade.One of the first articles in my local paper after the 1975 vote was that now the UK was part of the EEC, there was an increasing likelihood that there would be a single European Currency in the near future, now that Britain was a part of it.
Seems our joining was the catalyst, and there's a certain re-invention going on.
Which takes us back to the well known EU comment.And didn't May's deal also specifically rule out signing any external trade deals?
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