The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (70 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Hmm I wonder why our economy performed worse in 2020 than many others

I wonder if something significant happened in the UK in January 2020?

Hold on. Are you suggesting our slump was down to more than covid meaning we’ve recovered from covid like the rest of the world but the other thing is still holding us back?

 

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[Grendel]

Some real meeting of minds here

 

[Grendel]

Hold on. Are you suggesting our slump was down to more than covid meaning we’ve recovered from covid like the rest of the world but the other thing is still holding us back?

I also assume Tony as you are opposed to referendums and parliamentary democracy works through manifestos and electoral process if you vote for a party that wishes to remain outside the EU you now support the brexit process?

 

[PVA]

Some real meeting of minds here

Yes a meeting of those that voted to fuck the country over and those that didn't.

 

[Grendel]

Yes a meeting of those that voted to fuck the country over and those that didn't.

well as Tony says if you vote for a party that wants to remain outside the eu you support that strategy

Tony of course openly voted for a party to leave the EU and seemed rather proud of it

 

[Grendel]

Here is Tony defending Nigel Farage and voting for an anti eu party - you can’t make it up really

Imposter on GMK

Just noticed I have an imposter on GMK. Sounds like a smear campaign against my good name as I can currently only find the one post and it has racial undertones, strange that as I have been attacked on here by some GMK faithful for pointing out casual racism on GMK threads. Still imitation is a...

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

 

[Grendel]

Where’s astute to add some gravitas to this pointless debate

 

[PVA]

Where’s astute to add some gravitas to this pointless debate

 

[Nuskyblue]

Where’s astute to add some gravitas to this pointless debate

Tbh this debate is more entertaining than the Watford game, I'm all for it. End to end stuff.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where’s astute to add some gravitas to this pointless debate

I’m still hoping you’ll tell me if Robins has done well at CCFC or not

 

[Nuskyblue]

Niggly foul there from BSB

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Niggly foul there from BSB

I’m currently abroad no referee can touch me

 

[skybluetony176]

Braverman has been briefing against Sunak and his attempts to renegotiate the protocol, DUP not playing ball, ERG not playing ball and releasing the details of the renegotiation are now being delayed. Looking dead in the water even if the DUP do accept it unless Labour vote it through for Sunak. The Brexit cult in his party is going to bring him down like they did May. Ironic given he’s always been in the cult, an original member, a true believer.

 

[clint van damme]

Braverman has been briefing against Sunak and his attempts to renegotiate the protocol, DUP not playing ball, ERG not playing ball and releasing the details of the renegotiation are now being delayed. Looking dead in the water even if the DUP do accept it unless Labour vote it through for Sunak. The Brexit cult in his party is going to bring him down like they did May. Ironic given he’s always been in the cult, an original member, a true believer.

I read that Starmer has offered Sunak his support.

Edit - something about it here

Labour’s Keir Starmer reiterates vow to help Rishi Sunak pass Brexit deal

Labour leader says he’ll offer UK PM votes so he ‘doesn’t have to rely on his backbenches.’

www.google.com

 

[CCFCSteve]

I read that Starmer has offered Sunak his support.

Im not sure if you’re kidding but I’ve heard Labour would support the proposals so they could get through. Sunak would still be in the shit though. He really needs DUP to support them which would probably dampen down ERG/nutters arguments a bit

 

[skybluetony176]

I read that Starmer has offered Sunak his support.

I think it would suit Starmer if the Tories got this sorted so it’s one less thing he’d potentially have to deal with if he won the next general election. Even if that means lending them votes. Also makes Sunak look weak in plain sight as an added bonus for Starmer.

 

[clint van damme]

Im not sure if you’re kidding but I’ve heard Labour would support the proposals so they could get through. Sunak would still be in the shit though. He really needs DUP to support them which would probably dampen down ERG/nutters arguments a bit

Just edited it with a link.

 

[clint van damme]

I think it would suit Starmer if the Tories got this sorted so it’s one less thing he’d potentially have to deal with if he won the next general election. Even if that means lending them votes. Also makes Sunak look weak in plain sight as an added bonus for Starmer.

We're not going to be able to sign all these wonderful new trade deals while we can't sort out how we do thngs in our own back yard.

 

[Grendel]

We're not going to be able to sign all these wonderful new trade deals while we can't sort out how we do thngs in our own back yard.

Look labour will be in power soon and we can all rejoice in a land of milk and honey - can’t wait

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Look labour will be in power soon and we can all rejoice in a land of milk and honey - can’t wait

The land of beer and Korma surely

 

[PVA]

Look labour will be in power soon and we can all rejoice in a land of milk and honey - can’t wait

There was only one party promising sunlit uplands in a land of milk and honey. The one you voted for.

How's that working out?

 

[Grendel]

There was only one party promising sunlit uplands in a land of milk and honey. The one you voted for.

How's that working out?

Pretty well from where I’m sitting

 

[PVA]

Pretty well from where I’m sitting

 

[Astute]

You’re being disingenuous again. Half the public didn’t vote out, not even half of eligible voters did.

And even less voted remain.

 

[clint van damme]

Look labour will be in power soon and we can all rejoice in a land of milk and honey - can’t wait

Well it cant be worse, my issue is that after 12 years of austerity, a pandemic and a cost of living crisis it won't be enough of an improvement.

 

[Astute]

Where’s astute to add some gravitas to this pointless debate

Still in the UK.

Move to an EU country next month. Will never have to suffer another Tory government again. This debacle has cost my youngest children a quarter of their childhood without their dad. But at least they live in a much safer place.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Hmmm, I understand what you’re saying but i wasn’t being disingenuous. The fact is it would be a minor voting issue for most people (until 2017). When the referendum finally came half the public voted out so were obviously not happy with what it had become. From memory I think France, Ireland, Holland and possibly one or two others rejected previous treaties which extended the EUs reach. One way or another things were fudged to override the publics views. It just never sat well with me.

However, if I’d have know we’d still be having these debates 6.5 years after the vote, been through non stop political turmoil and as a country hadnt really moved on, I’d have probably sucked it up and voted remain as it hasn’t been worth all the fallout/division. The other stuff will all sort itself out over time with pragmatic, sensible leadership…unfortunately that’s been sadly missing in recent years

Anyway, what’s done is done.

Not happy with what it had become or unhappy at what they perceived/had been led to believe it had become?

 

[Grendel]

Still in the UK.

Move to an EU country next month. Will never have to suffer another Tory government again. This debacle has cost my youngest children a quarter of their childhood without their dad. But at least they live in a much safer place.

Your travelling around in a camper van aren’t you?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Every political party had Maastricht in its manifesto

So using your argument about manifesto's mentioning rejoining the EU not being a vote winner, if the public didn't want Maastricht surely at least one of them would have taken the plunge to say they weren't going to do it? So as they all did put it in, every single one must have been confident of it being a popular stance, or at the very least not unpopular enough to hamper their chances of election?

 

[Evo1883]

Should do a poll again to see what people on SBT would vote today

 

[Astute]

Well it cant be worse, my issue is that after 12 years of austerity, a pandemic and a cost of living crisis it won't be enough of an improvement.

Better than having the Tories making it worse each year.

I just hope that people give Starmer and Co time to make a difference instead of expecting vast improvement within a year.

 

[Astute]

Should do a poll again to see what people on SBT would vote today

Same as last time. Remain.

 

[clint van damme]

Better than having the Tories making it worse each year.

I just hope that people give Starmer and Co time to make a difference instead of expecting vast improvement within a year.

Well the tories are still occasionally using the look what we inherited line so he should be able to get away with it for at least a decade.

 

[clint van damme]

Should do a poll again to see what people on SBT would vote today

Stand by voting remain in the original referendum, but if there was a 2nd referendum I wouldn't vote.

 

[Evo1883]

Same as last time. Remain.

Just looking at the top of the page says leave had more votes on here .. my vote would be different now for starters