Always makes me laugh when people say "oh this building was built by EU money" and "we get EU funding for this project"
It's our money ffs, for every £2 we give we get £1 back and told where to spend it. EU money doesn't exist it's member states taxpayers money mainly Britain and German. No wonder they are shitting themselves they want our money and it's going to go. What was it 100b? Not hard to see what the EU is all about.
I know, truly there is dumb & dumber!
The other thing to bear in mind about national governments spending "EU money" is that it has numerous strings attached:I know, truly there is dumb & dumber!
I have always said net 175 million a week approx. It is you that sometimes quotes out of context.
But the money doesn't come back to the taxpayer. It goes where the EU says. And it isn't always worthwhile projects.
Yes a lot of it goes to farmers. Where does the rest go? It would be better if we had a bigger say.
The other thing to bear in mind about national governments spending "EU money" is that it has numerous strings attached:
1. European Regional Development Fund and European Social Fund beneficiaries have to put a plaque up to say it's been funded by the EU. It's just propaganda.
2. If a public body like the RDA when it existed applies for £5m to help towards the Arena building costs, it has to match it with its own spending (you'll see it in the council report into the stadium build costs)
3. The EC will remove funding that doesn't comply with the reams of funding rules, rules that bring great administrative costs of compliance
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So you agree that it needs massive reform?
Catch you later. Game is on.
So it is more worthwhile to let the EU decide where the money goes that we hand over and us not have a say in the matter?And it would otherwise always go to worthwhile products in the UK?
So you admit that the EU needs to change. But you don't like anyone saying anything against it.1. A very normal procedure with big projects. Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
2. Perfectly normal. Happens a lot in financing. More likely to succeed when people are prepared to invest as much with their own money.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
3. Perfectly normal and a necessary move to make corruption or misappropriation more difficult. Praiseworthy actually.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
You have an population of 500 million people in 28 states in the EU, I would have thought it would have been possible to find plenty of genuine reasons for criticism without resorting to Faragisms.
We have a long way to go and we must constantly press for improvements and accept constructive criticism.
1. A very normal procedure with big projects. Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
2. Perfectly normal. Happens a lot in financing. More likely to succeed when people are prepared to invest as much with their own money.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
3. Perfectly normal and a necessary move to make corruption or misappropriation more difficult. Praiseworthy actually.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
You have an population of 500 million people in 28 states in the EU, I would have thought it would have been possible to find plenty of genuine reasons for criticism without resorting to Faragisms.
lol you accuse someone of faragisms when all you can do is preach the gospel of merkel - you are a joke.
How can we ever believe that the EU will ever accept constructive criticism when we have EU supporters like yourself that defends everything that they do?
So you admit that the EU needs to change. But you don't like anyone saying anything against it.
So it is more worthwhile to let the EU decide where the money goes that we hand over and us not have a say in the matter?
What is the gospel of merkel? Where have I quoted it?
I don't defend everything - I just point out where you are quoting things that are not factually true. It may seem like that if there are a lot of "misconceptions" flying around.
Are any of these statements a misconception or a fact;
Theresa May has more support from the uk electorate than Merkel in Germany
The far right vote in the western areas of Germany has doubled since the last election
A million voters switched from Merkel to a far right party
A far right party has never had a seat in the uk parliament.
Theresa May has more support from the uk electorate than Merkel in Germany
No. - and nothing to do with the EU.
The far right vote in the western areas of Germany has doubled since the last election
Could well be - I haven't checked - and nothing to do with the EU.
A million voters switched from Merkel to a far right party
Yes. Apparently so - and nothing to do with the EU.
A far right party has never had a seat in the uk parliament.
Not surprising as there is no proportional representation. TBF UKIP would have been like the AfD if the UK had proportional representation - and nothing to do with the EU.
Not at all. The accusation of Farageism is complete rubbish.1. A very normal procedure with big projects. Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
2. Perfectly normal. Happens a lot in financing. More likely to succeed when people are prepared to invest as much with their own money.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
3. Perfectly normal and a necessary move to make corruption or misappropriation more difficult. Praiseworthy actually.
Only when the letters EU are involved is it a problem for people like yourself..
You have an population of 500 million people in 28 states in the EU, I would have thought it would have been possible to find plenty of genuine reasons for criticism without resorting to Faragisms.
Where has Fp produced a faragism whatever that means. You've been on here the last 3 days trying to pretend the EU has nothing to do with rising bigotry and nationalism.
Not at all. The accusation of Farageism is complete rubbish.
I have first hand experience of the points i made, including contracts worth less than £100k still being subject to the EU plaque requirement, even small ESF 'Community Grants'.
My point on match funding is that it effectively makes the net contribution from the EU zero or negative.
EU funding for project - (UK contributions + Match funding) =<zero
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So martcov says rise in right wing nationalism in every country but the uk has nothing to do with the EU - ok
The rise in right wing nationalism in the UK is not solely because of the leave campaign, but it has a lot to do with it. In Germany it has little to do with the EU. It is largely the refugee crisis and the handling of it. Another angle is the hate mongering against the USA bias of the system. The AfD and other extreme right wing parties - largely in the East - are calling for a relationship with Russia rather than the USA.
There is zero rise in nationalism in the U.K. - that's my point. UKIP was an anti eu party - the real right wing parties have seen declines compared to rising facist movements in Europe - why?
The votes in the west German areas averaged 10% compared to 21% in the east.
UKIP is practically socialist compared to ukip which is a single issue party - compare to the BNP - how did they do?
Point 1. Yes, that's what I said. I specified that in Kiel they got 6,9% and in my ward 3,4%. It is a regional phenomenon. ( Worse in the East than in the West ).
Point 2. They destroyed the BNP. It's members defected to UKIP - a single issue right wing party. The reason being that the priority was EU bashing which was acceptable to the press and well known public figures were involved. This made being a right wing nationalist perfectly acceptable in Britain. A few people got beaten up and many more have been insulted, but there a large number of people can now publicly come out with their hatred for the "foreign" EU on social media - and many can have a dig at refugees, asylum seekers, Muslims and if it carries on, then add Jews and " queers " to the list of acceptable targets. Brexit has turned the clock back.
There is zero rise in nationalism in the U.K.
Yeah, right! Your views are much more in line with nationalists across Europe.
Even by your standards your last two posts are bizarre.
You’re sitting on a timebomb of a Far Right surge in Germany and mainland Europe and your response is to pretend that there’s a UKIP ‘hysteria’ that is in some way comparable.
When will you wake up to the fact that responsibility for the rising Fascist threat across the whole of mainland Europe has one common root cause:
Merkel’s open door policy to migrants.
There isn't - parties like the right wing we see in Germany and France would attract the same as the EDF
As for my views - I believe in freedom of expression, I believe in civil liberties and the rights of the individual, I believe in the democratic will of the majority.
Remind me what you believe in?
There isn't - parties like the right wing we see in Germany and France would attract the same as the EDF
As for my views - I believe in freedom of expression, I believe in civil liberties and the rights of the individual, I believe in the democratic will of the majority.
Remind me what you believe in?
What about free movement? Protection of minorities? European Court of Human Rights? The majority in most, if not all, other EU countries want to remain - according to polls. Britain is in the minority. Britain only just voted no and there is a small majority in favour of remain in one recent poll. Do you think the rights of EU citizens in the U.K. Are better protected by May or by the EU negotiating stance? If the majority of the island of Ireland want to unite and remain together in the EU, will you support them?
There isn't - parties like the right wing we see in Germany and France would attract the same as the EDF
As for my views - I believe in freedom of expression, I believe in civil liberties and the rights of the individual, I believe in the democratic will of the majority.
Remind me what you believe in?
Of course he would do, just like he would back Scotland to take back control.
The EU does not have any money. It cannot put any in. EU investment is funded essentially by taxpayers in those countries that are net contributors to the EU budget. It is not a difficult concept to grasp.So the EU puts no money in? The plaque requirement seems normal to me.
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