Astute
Well-Known Member
I have not blamed the EU for everything. And I don't have an agenda.
People here can't see a way out of the mess they are in. Now they are in too deep to leave.
I have not blamed the EU for everything. And I don't have an agenda.Yes I do think that. Blaming everything on the EU isn't the most serious way of explaining what happened to cause the crash of 2007 and 2008. Might fit in with your agenda though. Have a nice holiday. ( not sarcasm )
Oh yes I forgot the EU and Euro are fantastic and nobody has suffered. It is a level playing field for all. And anyone who dares to say differently is biased. Anyone who says differently is wrong. The EU has a pot of gazillions that nobody put in that they give away for nothing. They want nothing in return. Juncker makes no decisions. People we elected make the decisions. The majority of people in the UK are idiots for voting leave. We don't have millions of homeless people. And the appropriate 400k net coming here to live each year doesn't make a difference at all. We will all starve as fruit and veg won't get picked. We then won't be able to eat as we will all put massive tariffs on each other. We will crash and.burn just like we did when the leave vote was confirmed etc etc.Apparently he is 'neutral'.
Oh yes I forgot the EU and Euro are fantastic and nobody has suffered. It is a level playing field for all. And anyone who dares to say differently is biased. Anyone who says differently is wrong. The EU has a pot of gazillions that nobody put in that they give away for nothing. They want nothing in return. Juncker makes no decisions. People we elected make the decisions. The majority of people in the UK are idiots for voting leave. We don't have millions of homeless people. And the appropriate 400k net coming here to live each year doesn't make a difference at all. We will all starve as fruit and veg won't get picked. We then won't be able to eat as we will all put massive tariffs on each other. We will crash and.burn just like we did when the leave vote was confirmed etc etc.
Juncker, now there is a sour faced wanker ! What chance of a solution with that vindictive tit in situ !
Meanwhile in the UK, which matters most of all to us here Mart, the new chief inspector of hospitals has stated that our health service is not fit for the 21st century due to.........the population growth !! That can also be said for social services, transport , schools and most other areas of our infrastructure. You don't live with it do you, you don't see it daily tucked away in Kiel
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Meanwhile in the UK, which matters most of all to us here Mart, the new chief inspector of hospitals has stated that our health service is not fit for the 21st century due to.........the population growth !! That can also be said for social services, transport , schools and most other areas of our infrastructure. You don't live with it do you, you don't see it daily tucked away in Kiel
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Taken from the BBC:
"The former hospital medical director said the NHS had not modernised because of a historic lack of investment.
He said: "One of the things I regret is that 15 or 20 years ago, when we could see the change in the population, the NHS did not change its model of care.
"It should have done it then - there was a lot more money coming in but we didn't spend it all on the right things. We didn't spend it on transformation of the model of care."
The number of pensioners has increased by a third in the last 30 years and he said the system had not been able to deal with the increase in the number of elderly people in particular.
Are you saying these 250000 incoming people every year for the last 20 years won't get old too ? Are you saying they don't get injured or sick or have babies ?
Scapegoats?I suppose that they are also lazing about and not working either. If successive governments fail to invest, then they deserve to be held to account.
The scapegoating of migrants will continue until the NHS is at breaking point and the Tories are able to completely privatise it. Instead of anger being directed at the culprits, who/their mates, will no doubt be doing quite nicely financially out of it, it will direct at ordinary and legal working people in this country.
Scapegoats?
Yes the NHS has been underfunded. But are you trying to say that without the population explosion we have had the NHS would be in exactly the same position?
You keep going on about it being the fault of the Tories. So what has Labour done when in power? It seems like you are a Labour supporter as to you they have done nothing wrong.....or you won't mention them as it isn't good.
Labour have been in power for 13 of the last 20 years. So why do you blame just the Tories?
This is the problem. If there were a concerted effort to invest in skills, wages etc (with the attendant rises in taxes that would follow) then there would be less of a need for overseas workers in all areas.until we invest
No surprise there really if your figures are accurate, it equates with the total foreign born people here doesn't it. So one grew with the other !It''s estimated that 12-15% of NHS staff are foreign born. Without the contribution of these people the health service would be unable to function. The same goes for industries such as hospitality, an industry that I tried in my younger days and got out asap! We are reliant on foreign born workers and have been for decades now.
If someone wants to come to the country to live and work, they should be able to. That is going to continue until we invest in education across the board.
Where is this horrendous effort coming from ? Brexit isn't about that ? Are you talking about a few thousand hard liner fascist types, many of who are on watch lists now ?This is the problem. If there were a concerted effort to invest in skills, wages etc (with the attendant rises in taxes that would follow) then there would be less of a need for overseas workers in all areas.
What we have atm is a horrendous effort that says get rid of the overseas workers, but don't put anything in place to deal with the loss of not just workers, but tax revenue that will be lost too.
So how does that help? Without a plan to compensate it looks just a little bit xenophobic, too.
If Brexit isn't about that, why are we getting rid of freedom of movement?Where is this horrendous effort coming from ? Brexit isn't about that ? Are you talking about a few thousand hard liner fascist types, many of who are on watch lists now ?
No surprise there really if your figures are accurate, it equates with the total foreign born people here doesn't it. So one grew with the other !
If Brexit isn't about that, why are we getting rid of freedom of movement?
Why do people even mention immigrants, as a problem with the EU if Brexit isn't about that?
I suppose that they are also lazing about and not working either. If successive governments fail to invest, then they deserve to be held to account.
The scapegoating of migrants will continue until the NHS is at breaking point and the Tories are able to completely privatise it. Instead of anger being directed at the culprits, who/their mates, will no doubt be doing quite nicely financially out of it, it will direct at ordinary and legal working people in this country.
Farage's campaigning seems to think it was all about the dirty immigrants....and before them we had citizens of what are now former colonies coming over to the country.
I'm sure that they also experienced similar resentment to those coming over now. Are these people also to blame for the population growth?
You have just expanded health workers to all immigrants. Brexit on immigration is about controlling who comes in, controlling numbers and quality and security. There is not a chance that working EU people will be asked to leave or skilled EU people rejected.If Brexit isn't about that, why are we getting rid of freedom of movement?
Why do people even mention immigrants, as a problem with the EU if Brexit isn't about that?
No privatisation of the NHS is on the horizon. Spend is at record levels. Lies again.
At least we are in safe hands, O' Brian Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance
You have just expanded health workers to all immigrants. Brexit on immigration is about controlling who comes in, controlling numbers and quality and security. There is not a chance that working EU people will be asked to leave or skilled EU people rejected.
Your estimate was shown to be wrong before. You said you was surprised when you found out it was only about 5%. Now you come out with a much bigger number again. Not surprised though.It''s estimated that 12-15% of NHS staff are foreign born. Without the contribution of these people the health service would be unable to function. The same goes for industries such as hospitality, an industry that I tried in my younger days and got out asap! We are reliant on foreign born workers and have been for decades now.
If someone wants to come to the country to live and work, they should be able to. That is going to continue until we invest in education across the board.
Your estimate was shown to be wrong before. You said you was surprised when you found out it was only about 5%. Now you come out with a much bigger number again. Not surprised though.
EU law states that you have the right to move to another country for 3 months, after that you have to have a job to legally stay. If there are people not working, the government could have already told them to leave. It works in other EU countries.
Let's just hope that there is still water when we turn the taps on post-Brexit
Playing twisting of words again I see.Farage's campaigning seems to think it was all about the dirty immigrants.
And as kingofkings says (often) we all knew what we voted for when we said leave.
It's a sorry state of affairs when we're concerned about people making a net contribution to the economy, but are not prepared to do anything to fill that hole. It's a sorry situation when we demonise refugees, too.
Roma/Romanian fiasco? I put a link up to Roma's from Romania that are massively into organised crime throughout the EU. I suppose you handedly didn't read the link although you went quiet as usual when shown to be wrong.That was Grendel's claim of EU workers. Not sure you can speak after your Roma/Romanians fiasco.
For your reference - EU immigration and NHS staff
No twisting, you're the one who repeats things parrot-fashion, and are again with your immigration whilst ignoring the fact that if they leave they'll leave a big hole.Playing twisting of words again I see.
Who on here says anything good about Farage?
We already have millions of homeless. So why is it good that every 2 to 3 years another million come in when the present massive problem hasn't been solved? You agree that the NHS can't cope. So this problem also gets worse.
Roma/Romanian fiasco? I put a link up to Roma's from Romania that are massively into organised crime throughout the EU. I suppose you handedly didn't read the link although you went quiet as usual when shown to be wrong.
It doesn't work in other countries. I showed a link where they have failed to deport 78% of those where they went through the legal system and had all the correct paperwork. And the backlog is getting bigger all the time. And you say it works.EU law states that you have the right to move to another country for 3 months, after that you have to have a job to legally stay. If there are people not working, the government could have already told them to leave. It works in other EU countries.
Let's just hope that there is still water when we turn the taps on post-Brexit
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