Sick Boy
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...and you don't I suppose? I have seen you regularly describe your posts as 'the truth'.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)
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...and you don't I suppose? I have seen you regularly describe your posts as 'the truth'.
Well that is another „Trumpism“. Don’t you remember Maggie Thatcher and our rebate? Why are we not in the Euro? Why are we not in Schengen?
Would it be because we have a strong pm and a unified cabinet who have put clear and concise demands on the table? No? Oh what a surprise...
Astute
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Someone says we voted to go into the EU. I say we didn't.
We didn't have a vote to join the EU. Yet you say I'm twisting the truth.
Astute
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We didn't vote to join the EU. That is the truth.
Was it the truth when it was said we voted to join the EU?
This could be fun.
Astute
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Do we give money to the EU and the EU takes it?
Astute
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So you have just agreed with me while using it to try and make a point against me?
You two are getting desperate. How about admitting that we didn't vote to join the EU?
We joined the common market and extended it, as much as all other countries in the EEC, to the EU. Yes... we ... the UK.
Our elected and sovereign parliament did. The Queen signed the necessary acts of parliament. Where were you?
Yes we do, we agreed to on our own interest.
You’re twisting the truth- again.
Sick Boy
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Come on, he has no hidden agenda..he is neutral.
We had a referendum on the EEC. Our parliament did the rest... as it has done for over 200 years. Don’t you like our sovereign parliament? Or do you prefer mob rule by an irreversible referendum?
He should referee our games. CCFC would win the league..
Astute
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I was alive then also. We didn't vote to join. So yet another true fact statement is false.
Astute
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Astute
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Astute
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Why will any new country joining be a part of both?
We joined something that became the EU.
skybluetony176
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You clearly stated that 17 months isn’t a long enough period for people to be allowed to change their minds so I was just wondering what was. Personally I don’t mind if people changed their minds the following day whether they voted leave or remain or voted to join or not join all those years ago. Changing our minds make us human, it’s called free will. I don’t have a problem with that whether that be 1 day, 17 months or half a century later. You clearly do as you want to put a timescale of allowance on it. I was just wondering what that timescale was.
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skybluetony176
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You do realise that we are the EU? At least for now anyway. It’s us, not us and them.
Sick Boy
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Hahaha you did it yourself earlier.
Our elected parliament did. Do you believe mob rule per referendum is better?
Astute
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Just point out where I said that. This is becoming a joke.
Astute
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Astute
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Point it out then. Or is it just another lie.
Sick Boy
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Already have done.
Grendel
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When you look across all the opinion polls over the last 6 months very little has changed. There is certainly no massive anti Brexit swing - in fact consistently 30% of all polled remain uninterested which means given the relative split of those interested only 30% of voters want a second vote.
The notion we can just have a poll a week of minds change (even though as I've pointed out there is no evidence of that) is getting beyond the realm of credibility.
However, as I've frequently pointed out, there is s process and that's vote through the ballot box for a party that wants one. The Tories won a majority on that election pledge and in the prior election the UKIP vote soared due to the pledge. So if the feeling is that great the Lib Dems WILL be the next party of government or at least form a sizeable coalition partner.
It's no good though saying there are other issues when we are being told by the pro Euro group this is the big issue. Clearly if the above scenario doesn't unfold and the polls are correct - it just isn't.
The notion we can just have a poll a week of minds change (even though as I've pointed out there is no evidence of that) is getting beyond the realm of credibility.
However, as I've frequently pointed out, there is s process and that's vote through the ballot box for a party that wants one. The Tories won a majority on that election pledge and in the prior election the UKIP vote soared due to the pledge. So if the feeling is that great the Lib Dems WILL be the next party of government or at least form a sizeable coalition partner.
It's no good though saying there are other issues when we are being told by the pro Euro group this is the big issue. Clearly if the above scenario doesn't unfold and the polls are correct - it just isn't.
skybluetony176
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So we are aloud to change our mind already then? Have you changed your mind on that? I’m cool with that if you have. Free will and all that.
skybluetony176
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Now you’re just making the EU sound like two different things.
Sick Boy
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One thing that polls have consistently shown though is that a majority believe the government is making a pig's ear out of negotiations.
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I dont see any harm in wanting the people to confirm they're happy with any deal made...
If leaving good for us, they will be after all.
If leaving good for us, they will be after all.
Kingokings204
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And how unfair is that? If we voted to remain would we of leaved?
clint van damme
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look at the rabble at the helm of brexit, I wouldn't trust them to organise a kids birthday party. Don't know why people expected this to be anything but a farce.
Grendel
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Again if people want a say vince cable will be Pm if they don't then they are happy to let the government make the decision on their behalf.
That's democracy