You won't get it.
Just. a vacuum.
You won't get it.And there you have it.
Mights and Ifs.
Mights and Ifs don't concern me.
Positivity and self confidence is the key and that's the attitude that the UK needs now. There's a massive opportunity for this country and we are going to be in a position to control our future. It's a very exciting position.
Self determination.
We need much more than 50,000 altogether. What we need to limit is the unskilled coming in. The more unskilled we allow in the more skilled we need to find to keep a sufficient infrastructure in place. And we are already struggling.By separating Trade deals from The Shengen disaster. Hook or by crook we have to reduce immigration to more like 50,000 per year and only those that are going to genuinely earn enough to pay the tax levels that will enable them to contribute to all of the services that need to be paid for.
I try my best... I always turn up on events with my Discovery... Some of my colleagues now have LRs.Percentage growth last year was very high but overall volume is low still
Immigration was absolute key on this referendum, that and a rejection of the quite pathetic bullying tactics and bullshit of the 'Remain' campaign. On immigration what swung it for me was Corbyn saying that there should never be any upper limit or control over immigration..................... and on the economy , Osborne's threat of a special budget to punish the ordinary people who might have the temerity to vote against the establishment. Well fuck you ! Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Osborne and Cameron. The result has already temporarily damaged my personal economy but I guessed there would be a short term shock, but I don't care, it's a price worth paying for democracy and to give my kids the chance of being able to compete fairly for employment in the future in their own country. I know plenty of well heeled people, business owners and graduates alike who voted leave, they were not all 'Little Englanders' as some cunts dare to suggest, just ordinary folk who were sick of the ambitious and expanding arrogant monster that is the EU and the way they pretty much laughed in Cameron's face when he sought changes and concessions earlier this year. I hope the whole project collapses and we can get back to pre Brussels.
Audi are a sponsor at the Kiel Regatta - where I am. Suppose because of boat owners needing towing cars, or just having wealthThat is very true. The German brands dominate the sectors in Germany.
Ditto we had an offer accepted on a place in Spain last week, the price went up £6000 overnight with the drop in the pound, we will either renegotiate now or shelve it for a while. But it's a price worth paying for self determination and a chance to put the brakes on immigration.I voted leave, I voted that way as I believe that the EU needs major reform and they themselves needed a wake up call, I don't think a close Remain vote would have done that, infact I think they would have used it as a stick to beat us over the head with. This vote gives us and the other big nations (France, Denmark, Netherlands etc) the opportunity to sit down with them and that gives us a real chance to reform it. On the other hand I think this country will prosper with or without the EU, the comments I've read from Merkel about a closer union (United states of Europe) and the EU Presidents throwing their teddy out the pram, have really hit home that I've made the right decision in the way I voted.
I think it's only going to take an out vote from one other big player to bring the EU to it's knees. We've seen referendums all ready asked for in other nations.
From what I've read we account for roughly 23% of the EU exports, more then the next 2 combined (roughly 20% USA/Japan). We export about 40% to the EU nations. We spend far more in their countries then they do buying our goods, I can't see why they wouldn't give us a favourable deal. The USA and Canada have already come out and said they will put us to the top of the queue for trade deals. I expect Australia and New Zealand will do the same. We take over half of New Zealand beef and lamb products, which is capped by EU quota's. Again, We could end up importing higher amounts then we currently do, so cheaper lamb and beef products (cheaper prices?).
I don't think freedom of movement can work in it's current set up. There's too big a difference in standard of living between us and say Romania. I think it can work Between the likes of UK, Germany, France, etc, where they're all relatively the same. and another zone for the poorer countries, with a time limit of say 3 months if you're going between zones, but I suppose this would lead to people going of the grid and I'm not really sure that will work either.
I would like to see the Euro ditched so southern Europe can actually control their own currencies and devalue if and when they need to.
The bus slogan, I think we all knew they wouldn't spend £350 Million a week on the NHS, and I think it would be foolish to do that. I think that we need to replace the EU funding that regions were guaranteed. Assume 350mill a week, we get back something like 120mill a week which goes to investment in the regions. 230mill goes to Brussels which we don't see again. I would like to see that 230mill (whatever the true figure is) invested in this country to make it economically stronger. Nationalise the banks, railways, energy, Royal Mail?
For the past few weeks I have been looking at buying a property within Spain and Portugal, which will now have to be put on hold and if we do end up leaving the EU I will apply for citizenship with Poland.
Respect you're position Marty and understand you're thinking but re prices, especially food prices they're only going to go one way.I voted leave, I voted that way as I believe that the EU needs major reform and they themselves needed a wake up call, I don't think a close Remain vote would have done that, infact I think they would have used it as a stick to beat us over the head with. This vote gives us and the other big nations (France, Denmark, Netherlands etc) the opportunity to sit down with them and that gives us a real chance to reform it. On the other hand I think this country will prosper with or without the EU, the comments I've read from Merkel about a closer union (United states of Europe) and the EU Presidents throwing their teddy out the pram, have really hit home that I've made the right decision in the way I voted.
I think it's only going to take an out vote from one other big player to bring the EU to it's knees. We've seen referendums all ready asked for in other nations.
From what I've read we account for roughly 23% of the EU exports, more then the next 2 combined (roughly 20% USA/Japan). We export about 40% to the EU nations. We spend far more in their countries then they do buying our goods, I can't see why they wouldn't give us a favourable deal. The USA and Canada have already come out and said they will put us to the top of the queue for trade deals. I expect Australia and New Zealand will do the same. We take over half of New Zealand beef and lamb products, which is capped by EU quota's. Again, We could end up importing higher amounts then we currently do, so cheaper lamb and beef products (cheaper prices?).
I don't think freedom of movement can work in it's current set up. There's too big a difference in standard of living between us and say Romania. I think it can work Between the likes of UK, Germany, France, etc, where they're all relatively the same. and another zone for the poorer countries, with a time limit of say 3 months if you're going between zones, but I suppose this would lead to people going of the grid and I'm not really sure that will work either.
I would like to see the Euro ditched so southern Europe can actually control their own currencies and devalue if and when they need to.
The bus slogan, I think we all knew they wouldn't spend £350 Million a week on the NHS, and I think it would be foolish to do that. I think that we need to replace the EU funding that regions were guaranteed. Assume 350mill a week, we get back something like 120mill a week which goes to investment in the regions. 230mill goes to Brussels which we don't see again. I would like to see that 230mill (whatever the true figure is) invested in this country to make it economically stronger. Nationalise the banks, railways, energy, Royal Mail?
For the past few weeks I have been looking at buying a property within Spain and Portugal, which will now have to be put on hold and if we do end up leaving the EU I will apply for citizenship with Poland.
A lot of people in this country could do with eating less, it might be good for the health of the nation !!Respect you're position Marty and understand you're thinking but re prices, especially food prices they're only going to go one way.
Even Gizzela Stuart MP admits the populace are not qualified to make such a decision, we've been asked to do the job of those we elect quote.
Right again and yes the other motive is to scare off others.
Ditto we had an offer accepted on a place in Spain last week, the price went up £6000 overnight with the drop in the pound, we will either renegotiate now or shelve it for a while. But it's a price worth paying for self determination and a chance to put the brakes on immigration.
and you think its ok that they should try to 'scare off others'?
Food was a lot cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market due to the different way farmers were subsidised. It shot up in price almost overnight.
As a percentage of Income?Food was a lot cheaper in Britain before it joined the Common Market due to the different way farmers were subsidised. It shot up in price almost overnight.
Few years old now but if anything prices have gone down since this was produced.As a percentage of Income?
I don't think so
Farmers Weekly said:British consumers are spending a lower proportion of their income on food and drink than at any time since records began.
Results from the Office for National Statistics’ show that the proportion of household income going on food and soft drinks now comes to just 15%.
That is less than half the share it took when the first Family Expenditure Survey was conducted 50 years ago.
Guardian said:Good news for shoppers: supermarket giants Tesco and Sainsbury’s have cut the price of a basket of basic household goods by 12%-13% over the past four years
A lot of people in this country could do with eating less, it might be good for the health of the nation !!
Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.We also have food banks because people can't afford to eat enough without them. Is the use of food banks in this country going to go up or down?
Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.
Yes. I think it is justified. A panic or rush to get out would cause immense problems for everyone - whether you are for remain or leave, economic turmoil could lead to disaster.. The main players will try to hold the group together.
Food is now much cheaper now than before the EU for one major reason. Supermarkets.
Well you've shown your true colours there haven't you.
You've confirmed that you support the notion that the EU is fully justified in silencing the voice and preventing the will of the people of sovereign nations from democratically expressing a wish to leave the EU.
In my book that's a disgusting statement and a betrayal of the basic principals of democracy.
Shameful.
The banking crisis that happened because the economists that you said that know what they are talking about guessed wrong. Just like they did about the Euro.Because we're still recovering from a recession caused by a banking crisis that we're yet to recover from and have just voted in another recession.
Am I right?
So you are saying that democracy is larger countries making smaller countries do what they want?Yes, if the democratically elected governments of the 'big players' get together to prevent minority countries pulling out in order to prevent a breakup, then ok. It is called democracy - get over it.
The banking crisis that happened because the economists that you said that know what they are talking about guessed wrong. Just like they did about the Euro.
So you are saying that democracy is larger countries making smaller countries do what they want?
Try asking yourself why food banks are needed.
Immigration was absolute key on this referendum, that and a rejection of the quite pathetic bullying tactics and bullshit of the 'Remain' campaign. On immigration what swung it for me was Corbyn saying that there should never be any upper limit or control over immigration..................... and on the economy , Osborne's threat of a special budget to punish the ordinary people who might have the temerity to vote against the establishment. Well fuck you ! Corbyn, Blair, Brown, Osborne and Cameron. The result has already temporarily damaged my personal economy but I guessed there would be a short term shock, but I don't care, it's a price worth paying for democracy and to give my kids the chance of being able to compete fairly for employment in the future in their own country. I know plenty of well heeled people, business owners and graduates alike who voted leave, they were not all 'Little Englanders' as some cunts dare to suggest, just ordinary folk who were sick of the ambitious and expanding arrogant monster that is the EU and the way they pretty much laughed in Cameron's face when he sought changes and concessions earlier this year. I hope the whole project collapses and we can get back to pre Brussels.
The vote might be done but I fear the turmoil now will not just be over how and when we exit the EU.vote is done
We should pay more tax so we can pay the EU more like they want, let everyone come to live here that wants so pay for more homes, hospitals, schools, roads and similar and give more money to those that don't work?Because the state doesn't do enough.
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