Millions more will not be coming whatever happens. The Eurozone is picking up and there is a limit to how many people wish to emigrate. With the pound falling against the Euro there will be less incentive to come to the UK.
1. Fisheries as the EU have completely destroyed us.
2. Freedom of movement as uncontrolled immigration has lowered wages for the average Joe and put massive strain on housing and public services to breaking point.
3. Leave the customs union as it’s a protectionist racket that makes the goods such as clothes, shoes, sanitary products and fruit and veg more expensive for the poorest in society who need those products most.
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Again, you pitch and swerve like a good'un, whilst spectacularly failing to understand the point, be it witting or unwitting.
At which stage, your failure to comprehend the most basic of elements becomes even more pronounced than it usually is.There is no point.
OK let's suppose the polls were in favour.
1. Fisheries as the EU have completely destroyed us.
2. Freedom of movement as uncontrolled immigration has lowered wages for the average Joe and put massive strain on housing and public services to breaking point.
3. Leave the customs union as it’s a protectionist racket that makes the goods such as clothes, shoes, sanitary products and fruit and veg more expensive for the poorest in society who need those products most.
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No Scotland don’t want independence. They want to stay part of the EU after leaving the UK. That’s not independence is it?
No Scotland don’t want independence. They want to stay part of the EU after leaving the UK. That’s not independence is it?
We export large amounts to the EU. Overfishing of certain types has reduced stocks.
We have full employment. How come earnings are still not keeping up with inflation? It cannot be because of over supply of labour.
You will see how fruit and veg prices rise when there are no staff to harvest it.
By what token is the UK not already an independent nation?
The Eu has destroyed our fishing community with its quotas and shared waters policy. Sorry it just has.
Fair point but there is no doubt over supply of non skilled Labour from uncontrolled immigration has stagnated wages and what about the strain on our public services? We are the nhs not the ihs?
African fruit and veg is cheaper than eu fruit and veg but because of tariffs it makes it more expansive meaning we still buy oranges from Spain when if it was free trade we could buy African fruit and veg for cheaper thus affecting poorest in society better.
So we are leaving, putting the city at risk, creating problems in Ireland etc. in order to help African farmers at The possible expense of our own? And you are upset about the fishing industry?
Sounds like a great plan Boldrick.
Our majority of laws and courts are are made and decided elsewhere. The European court of Justice is the highest in the land. That’s not independence.
Legislation that’s affect our country is solely drawn up by the eu commission who aren’t elected and can’t be removed who are based in Brussels.
Fishing quotas provided by the eu mean we can’t catch our fish in our own waters. That’s not independence either.
Our majority of laws and courts are are made and decided elsewhere. The European court of Justice is the highest in the land. That’s not independence.
Legislation that’s affect our country is solely drawn up by the eu commission who aren’t elected and can’t be removed who are based in Brussels.
Fishing quotas provided by the eu mean we can’t catch our fish in our own waters. That’s not independence either.
Most of our laws are made and decided in Parliament and formally passed by an old woman with a fortunate bloodline
Legislation is drawn up in the Commons and makes its way through several layers of scrutiny before becoming law
UK governments ceded fishing claims to further the interests of financial services. One of several industries shafted for the benefit of one.
Though I will say that EU research grants do tremendous good for innovation in our universities and keep us at the edge of advances in R+D. Not that many people in the UK give a shit in the anti-intellectual post-truth era.
One minister from 27 countries.
Also interesting in what he said:
„In a separate development, Asscher said that the Netherlands will block any trade deal with the U.K. post-Brexit that does not require the latter to sign up to stringent tax-avoidance rules.“
Now that is more like it. Brexiteers won‘t like that.
So we are leaving, putting the city at risk, creating problems in Ireland etc. in order to help African farmers at The possible expense of our own? And you are upset about the fishing industry?
Sounds like a great plan Boldrick.
Fair enough and I read your points well but with respect you didn’t directly address my points as my have validity to. It’s up for debate sure but the referendum was all about an individual choice no matter how poor or wealthy that person or who didn’t like the decision or not.
We (hopefully) won’t carry on paying money to an organization that haven’t had their accounts signed off for 20 years. That’s not indepedence also. It’s also not free trade like some claim on here. We pay 10b a year net and they sell us a trade deficit of circa 80b a year. Go figure.
You mean...you have conceded that there is a remote possibility that it won't go 'pear-shaped'?No, if you have got money and/ or a stable job. It is if you are poor or just about managing. Leavers will be held to account if this goes pear shaped.
One minister from 27 countries.
Also interesting in what he said:
„In a separate development, Asscher said that the Netherlands will block any trade deal with the U.K. post-Brexit that does not require the latter to sign up to stringent tax-avoidance rules.“
Now that is more like it. Brexiteers won‘t like that.
Fair enough and I read your points well but with respect you didn’t directly address my points as my have validity to. It’s up for debate sure but the referendum was all about an individual choice no matter how poor or wealthy that person or who didn’t like the decision or not.
We (hopefully) won’t carry on paying money to an organization that haven’t had their accounts signed off for 20 years. That’s not indepedence also. It’s also not free trade like some claim on here. We pay 10b a year net and they sell us a trade deficit of circa 80b a year. Go figure.
You said only Britain I repeat Hogwash
You mean...you have conceded that there is a remote possibility that it won't go 'pear-shaped'?
That is progress indeed!
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Fair enough and I read your points well but with respect you didn’t directly address my points as my have validity to. It’s up for debate sure but the referendum was all about an individual choice no matter how poor or wealthy that person or who didn’t like the decision or not.
We (hopefully) won’t carry on paying money to an organization that haven’t had their accounts signed off for 20 years. That’s not indepedence also. It’s also not free trade like some claim on here. We pay 10b a year net and they sell us a trade deficit of circa 80b a year. Go figure.
There is as much chance of Brits getting kicked out of EU countries as those here getting removed. Absolutely none.
So we should put it in writing when the EU hasn't done the same about Brits living in the EU countries? It needs to be done at the same time to make sure it is the same deal for all. And it is the EU that decides what is spoken about and when. But you already know all that.Yes, but what about rights, benefits etc.? And why not put that in writing? I don’t trust them anyway and have my appointment tomorrow to hand in my forms and documents for German citizenship ( there was a long waiting list ). I then have to wait another couple of months whilst they make extensive checks on me. I want peace of mind. I am certainly not interested in losing the rights that I had from EU membership because of the vote of 17,4 million leavers, especially as I wasn’t even allowed a say on the matter in the referendum. How very democratic. A referendum that directly affects my rights and no right to vote as an expat.
I didn't watch any news. If you look back on this thread you will see that I have mentioned it several times before.He seems obsessed with the fishing policy. I wonder if it has anything to do with it being all over the news tonight?
So we should put it in writing when the EU hasn't done the same about Brits living in the EU countries? It needs to be done at the same time to make sure it is the same deal for all. And it is the EU that decides what is spoken about and when. But you already know all that.
You are starting to sound very anti British.
And you want a vote in a country that you left decades ago?
What is progress? I have always said no one knows how this will turn out. It may succeed
And even more millions don't.He doesn't sound anti-British at all and millions of people in the country share his sentiments.
There are 27 governments and 450 million people in the EU and you quote one minister under pressure from a growing racist party in his country as evidence of a movement against free movement. The general point stands.
Yet all is supposedly well in the EU.No you said Britain only were wrong and now make excuses. Only the Netherlands? Are you sure?
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