The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (78 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Whilst the British Gov't can do something about...maybe they have? Don't know myself - maybe companies & individuals are more wary after recent 'outing' of this sort of thing in the national media?

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The recent “outing” in the media is a flash in the pan distraction from something else with a sacrificial high profile lamb. This time it’s Lewis Hamilton last time it was Jimmy Carr. The story disappeared quicker than it arrived. The government won’t do a thing about it.

 

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[martcov]

You knowing for a fact is not fact. You are an incredibly biased individual.

And as for Romania big much better off since you visited...dont worry that's me being facetious

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I would like to know if you class yourself as a neutral person. You say something, I say that is not correct and post a link or quote an example. You then describe me as biased.

 

[martcov]

At present EU passports are accepted due to the British being lumped in. Give it 15yrs...I suspect NZ, Canada (to name but 2) will still welcome the British passport - but have little care for your EU one. It's just an opinion I guess...& no journo will convince me different

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Canada has just signed a massive free trade deal with EU. Why would they now discriminate against the EU?

 

[Sick Boy]

Just like every UK citizen has the right to free speech...as long as it is PC of course

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Yeah it's a shame that we can't be openly bigoted or racist these days and expect nothing to come of it, eh?

 

[martcov]

Yeah it's a shame that we can't be openly bigoted or racist these days and expect nothing to come of it, eh?

Yes. This is exactly what For Britain says. The party of the silent majority and of common sense. If you dare say anything which is not ‚common sense‘ or what the so-called ‚silent majority‘ says, then you are ‚incredibly biased‘ or a ‚remoaner‘ or a ‚leftie‘.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I would like to know if you class yourself as a neutral person. You say something, I say that is not correct and post a link or quote an example. You then describe me as biased.

'Neutral' ??? You mean unbiased, open-minded, forward-thinking & realistic?
Brexit (which this whole thread is about) is happening & I am trying to embrace it in a positive way. I voted Remain (=not neutral), I my time as a voter...I have voted for all 3 of the major parties at one stage or another.
You?

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[SkyblueBazza]

Canada has just signed a massive free trade deal with EU. Why would they now discriminate against the EU?

Oh, so now you're saying the Schengen nations or maybe the EU as a whole are going to discriminate against me because I am British??? (Some might argue 'no change there then'!)

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[SkyblueBazza]

Yeah it's a shame that we can't be openly bigoted or racist these days and expect nothing to come of it, eh?

It isn't free-speech in the true sense then is it?

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[SkyblueBazza]

Yes. This is exactly what For Britain says. The party of the silent majority and of common sense. If you dare say anything which is not ‚common sense‘ or what the so-called ‚silent majority‘ says, then you are ‚incredibly biased‘ or a ‚remoaner‘ or a ‚leftie‘.

But you keep telling us that the majority want to stay in the EU now. The relative silent majority in the run-up to the referendum have since become racist bigots, Nazi's, stupid (which is basically what you & your cronies are in essence saying), & at the very least - conned

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[martcov]

But you keep telling us that the majority want to stay in the EU now. The relative silent majority in the run-up to the referendum have since become racist bigots, Nazi's, stupid (which is basically what you & your cronies are in essence saying), & at the very least - conned

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The 'silent majority' doesn't exsist. It is a term used by tiny right wing parties to infer that they have loads of support from the 'silent' people who didn't vote. Some leavers have indeed become racists or have been frightened into acting like racists. You mention Nazis, and I would agree that any Nazis would be at least sympathetic to parties like "For Britain".

The term 'common sense' is used to fill the void of facts in their propaganda. E.g. "we don't need experts", it is just 'common sense'.

As for being conned by professionals, read what the whistle blower says on that subject:

'Wylie machte öffentlich, dass seine ehemalige Firma Cambridge Analytica seit Jahren die Profile von 50 Millionen Facebook-Nutzern abschöpft und ihr Wissen an Parteien oder Kandidaten verkauft, die damit online gezielt potenzielle Wähler zu beeinflussen versuchen. Unter ihnen soll nicht nur US-Präsident Donald Trump gewesen sein. Sondern auch die britische Pro-Brexit-Kampagne.' C.A. Customers: Not just Donald Trump, but also the British Brexit campaign. ( Sorry it's in German, but it is out there in English if you google it ).

You should also watch the Channel 4 Dokumentar where Cambridge Analytica explain how they con people like yourself.

 

[dutchman]

I don’t know. What is your source?

It's the BBC News page!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42136236

 

[martcov]

It's the BBC News page!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42136236

Yes. Not good, but far from a gulag. Let’s hope it gets sorted soon.

 

[Grendel]

It's the BBC News page!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42136236

That’s clearly been influenced by the EDL

 

[martcov]

'Neutral' ??? You mean unbiased, open-minded, forward-thinking & realistic?
Brexit (which this whole thread is about) is happening & I am trying to embrace it in a positive way. I voted Remain (=not neutral), I my time as a voter...I have voted for all 3 of the major parties at one stage or another.
You?

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Open minded, forward thinking and hoping that this disaster can be in some way mitigated. Feel that people like you have been terribly misled.

 

[martcov]

That’s clearly been influenced by the EDL

Link?

 

[martcov]

It isn't free-speech in the true sense then is it?

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Unless you want to stir up hatred or publicly insult people, it is.

 

[Grendel]

The 'silent majority' doesn't exsist. It is a term used by tiny right wing parties to infer that they have loads of support from the 'silent' people who didn't vote. Some leavers have indeed become racists or have been frightened into acting like racists. You mention Nazis, and I would agree that any Nazis would be at least sympathetic to parties like "For Britain".

The term 'common sense' is used to fill the void of facts in their propaganda. E.g. "we don't need experts", it is just 'common sense'.

As for being conned by professionals, read what the whistle blower says on that subject:

'Wylie machte öffentlich, dass seine ehemalige Firma Cambridge Analytica seit Jahren die Profile von 50 Millionen Facebook-Nutzern abschöpft und ihr Wissen an Parteien oder Kandidaten verkauft, die damit online gezielt potenzielle Wähler zu beeinflussen versuchen. Unter ihnen soll nicht nur US-Präsident Donald Trump gewesen sein. Sondern auch die britische Pro-Brexit-Kampagne.' C.A. Customers: Not just Donald Trump, but also the British Brexit campaign. ( Sorry it's in German, but it is out there in English if you google it ).

You should also watch the Channel 4 Dokumentar where Cambridge Analytica explain how they con people like yourself.

Most sane people recognise Cambridge Analytica contribution was negligible and the profiling techniques were shite.

 

[martcov]

Oh, so now you're saying the Schengen nations or maybe the EU as a whole are going to discriminate against me because I am British??? (Some might argue 'no change there then'!)

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We’re not in Schengen. So you will say you are discrinated against. You wouldn’t be „discriminated against“ if you joined and you would be free to live and work wherever you wanted in the EU if we stayed. It is not discrimination, just that the UK is not a member or won’t be.

 

[martcov]

Most sane people recognise Cambridge Analytica contribution was negligible and the profiling techniques were shite.

Did you not listen to the explanation of how they „trigger“ people through fear and hope? The disinformation? The fake news? And you claim that it had little effect? Sane people know full well how to turn a relative small percentage of the population to get the desired effect. In both Trump and Brexit the margin was small, but enough to have been caused by targeting. They targeted people that they knew, through the profile given to them, they could make angry.... same general tactic as the mainstream right wing press and Farage. Together a formidable propaganda and disinformation campaign. The right wing press know how to work their readership.

 

[Grendel]

Did you not listen to the explanation of how they „trigger“ people through fear and hope? The disinformation? The fake news? And you claim that it had little effect? Sane people know full well how to turn a relative small percentage of the population to get the desired effect. In both Trump and Brexit the margin was small, but enough to have been caused by targeting. They targeted people that they knew, through the profile given to them, they could make angry.... same general tactic as the mainstream right wing press and Farage. Together a formidable propaganda and disinformation campaign. The right wing press know how to work their readership.

You really are a crank.

You do realise all political parties employ profilers to try and target and influence campaigns?

Remain invested £3.5 million in a profiling company to try and influence voters and guess what - it has links to Cambridge Analytica . Clinton invested massively in profiling companies.

Cambridge profiling is shite. One female investigative journalist was profiled and canme out as likely to be a homosexual male.

The irony is most people on here take a step back and research data before concluding. You just part you legs for any EU drivel that comes out from Brussels.

You are the easiest to influence by lies and bullshit

You are utterly clueless.

 

[martcov]

You really are a crank.

You do realise all political parties employ profilers to try and target and influence campaigns?

Remain invested £3.5 million in a profiling company to try and influence voters and guess what - it has links to Cambridge Analytica . Clinton invested massively in profiling companies.

Cambridge profiling is shite. One female investigative journalist was profiled and canme out as likely to be a homosexual male.

The irony is most people on here take a step back and research data before concluding. You just part you legs for any EU drivel that comes out from Brussels.

You are the easiest to influence by lies and bullshit

You are utterly clueless.

The story is far from over. To say that people here take a step back and research data before concluding anything is a joke. We had all this with the „white elephant“ and „edifice“ posts about the Ricoh before Wasps moved in, although City were the „only show in town“. I take your comments with a pinch of salt.

 

[wingy]

See the murderer Erdogan was in Bulgaria today.

 

[Grendel]

The story is far from over. To say that people here take a step back and research data before concluding anything is a joke. We had all this with the „white elephant“ and „edifice“ posts about the Ricoh before Wasps moved in, although City were the „only show in town“. I take your comments with a pinch of salt.

The story isn’t “far from over” - you talk about profiling as if it’s some kind of dirty tactic.

It’s a low end attempt to influence voters but it’s a far from exact science. The above post meant to say Brexit as it’s not even Cambridge Analytica they invested in - an offshoot tiny company with limited experience. Remain had the backing of a £9 million state backed marketing message.

Clinton’s budget on expenditure was cast compared to trump - massively higher - every analyst accepts the campaign was lost by her and her marketing message which detracted voters from voting.

The Brexit campaign employed terrible agencies to influence opinion, had a bus driving around with a message that no one believed (this is a fact as despite the believe the conservatives were the party for power the country rated them hugely negatively for social spending) and still won.

Marketing is aimed at doing one thing - influencing opinion, choose the media and develop the strategy. Clinton spent far more than trump and including the leaflet remain spent far more than leave.

Cambridge Analytica and it’s offshoot im Canada is a joke. Compared to other media channels it’s an irrelevance. Even if it wasn’t then complain to remain they didn’t use them and offer more money.

 

[martcov]

The story isn’t “far from over” - you talk about profiling as if it’s some kind of dirty tactic.

It’s a low end attempt to influence voters but it’s a far from exact science. The above post meant to say Brexit as it’s not even Cambridge Analytica they invested in - an offshoot tiny company with limited experience. Remain had the backing of a £9 million state backed marketing message.

Clinton’s budget on expenditure was cast compared to trump - massively higher - every analyst accepts the campaign was lost by her and her marketing message which detracted voters from voting.

The Brexit campaign employed terrible agencies to influence opinion, had a bus driving around with a message that no one believed (this is a fact as despite the believe the conservatives were the party for power the country rated them hugely negatively for social spending) and still won.

Marketing is aimed at doing one thing - influencing opinion, choose the media and develop the strategy. Clinton spent far more than trump and including the leaflet remain spent far more than leave.

Cambridge Analytica and it’s offshoot im Canada is a joke. Compared to other media channels it’s an irrelevance. Even if it wasn’t then complain to remain they didn’t use them and offer more money.

I said it was a part of the campaign, not the whole story. At the end of it we have a split country and an uncertain future.

The arguments and bitterness will go on whatever happens.

 

[wingy]

Isn't the question whether Leave circumvented the spending limits ?
That won't change the result but should be investigated and dealt with, whoever and wherever it occurs.

 

[martcov]

See the murderer Erdogan was in Bulgaria today.

Headline here was that he still wants Turkey to join the EU... ffs

 

[Grendel]

I said it was a part of the campaign, not the whole story. At the end of it we have a split country and an uncertain future.

The arguments and bitterness will go on whatever happens.

You can’t answer and change tack. Oh dear.

 

[Grendel]

Headline here was that he still wants Turkey to join the EU... ffs

They were saying that in Germany?

 

[Grendel]

Isn't the question whether Leave circumvented the spending limits ?
That won't change the result but should be investigated and dealt with, whoever and wherever it occurs.

Remain did by £9 million and Mart suggests that employing profiling agencies influenced voters more than any other media outlet - so whose fault is that (it’s a shit median to blow 50% spend by the way)

 

[wingy]

The lead civil servant tasked with solving the Irish border issues has left his job to work for Prince William today
Less than a year in the job and named director in January .

 

[wingy]

Remain did by £9 million and Mart suggests that employing profiling agencies influenced voters more than any other media outlet - so whose fault is that (it’s a shit median to blow 50% spend by the way)

Nothing wrong with marketing .
Taking Data without consent though?
Not certain but the figure targeted of 50M in the US ,can't be certain but I think I heard quoted overall data collected 57B.
If true that's pretty staggering.

 

[Grendel]

Nothing wrong with marketing .
Taking Data without consent though?
Not certain but the figure targeted of 50M in the US ,can't be certain but I think I heard quoted overall data collected 57B.
If true that's pretty staggering.

Which means most was on Clinton’s side and proves it fails.

 

[wingy]

Which means most was on Clinton’s side and proves it fails.

But how it's harvested being the Issue ?

 

[martcov]

You can’t answer and change tack. Oh dear.

Er no... I can’t be arsed to repeat myself... as I said this is far from over.. we have 2 whistle blowers at the moment.. I don’t see what more I have to answer. There was clearly a propaganda campaign with deliberate disregard for the facts...., I didn’t follow the remain campaign as I clearly wanted to keep the status quo - imo it benefits most people... they didn’t need to convince me.... I did watch, and have watched a lot of leave stuff and have been appalled, especially by Farage and the Mail, Express etc.. and by their readers‘ insane and hateful comments. I hope that some of those were „triggered“ by targeted propaganda campaigns as it would indeed be worse if these people were already like that...

 

[Grendel]

But how it's harvested being the Issue ?

But in the end you choose your agency. Clinton had a 100 million higher marketing spend.

If martcov is correct and he says trump influenced voters more with a marginal spend he’s saying Donald J Trump is a genius.

Is that what you are saying Mart?