Astute
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So do you agree that they should be more careful where the money goes as the frauds have cost many billions and happen each year?
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You just said you shouldn’t believe headlines. You are now making your own up.
Astute
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Astute
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Why not ask SB.
We went through it in detail. But it didn't look good on the EU so you have forgotten about it. How unusual.
Sick Boy
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It looks worse on Italy to be fair.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The mafia is so much ingrained within society there that it's not a case of 'just being careful'. A lot of Sicilian friends I have from my time living down there claim that the government is the mafia itself. It's partly why the likes of 5Star have done so well there as they are a reaction to it, they're just incompetent when they get any kind of power.
Astute
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Fears over 'widespread' EU fraud
https://www.thelocal.it/20160907/italians-europe-vat-tax-evasion-dodge-again
Making a killing on contracts: how Italy's Mafia has plundered EU building funds
Dodgy deals: One in 10 Italian contracts is corrupt, says EU
Waste of public money, procurement fraud cost Italy 5.3 bln euros: report - Xinhua | English.news.cn
Italian Fraudsters Who Set Up Fake Hovercraft Scam Pocket 1.4 Million Euros
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Italian refugee centre allegedly run by mafia
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How much more would you like Mart?
Astute
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But the EU keeps putting billions into Italy without watching closely where it goes when they know a lot of it goes on fraud.
Astute
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And as you know we agree on this.
We don't know fully what goes on. But fraud is rife in Italy. And it will continue until something is done about it by the EU.
I await Mart like last time to come out qith a small amount of fraud from the UK that means it is OK for it to continue happening in Italy. But it should all be looked into as much as possible.
Astute
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Wassup Mart?
So what headlines have I made up?
Would you like more?
Why did you agree with him SB?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
So now you're happy for the EU to interfere in domestic politics and use EU funds to get rid of the mafia? Wow!
Astute
Well-Known Member
Oh how you like to twist things.
So where did I say that? I didn't. But you would love me to defend something that I haven't said to change the subject.
Domestic politics? Giving billions away and knowing a large amount is going on fraud and they should do nothing? How about releasing the money a bit at a time and only when you see the work happening?
This is the problem with the EU. They don't spend money on counter fraud. And people that defend them don't have a problem with it. But it is a massive problem to the same people if just a fraction of this happens in the UK.
So are you saying nothing should change with the way money is distributed in Italy when you bring up the chance of even the government being involved in the fraud?
I assume I am right as the said people are already asking for a continuation of sisbsidies. It would be unusual for only a few to want to keep money. The point is that these people slag the EU on the one hand for giving money to projects, but have made it clear that they want their hand outs to continue after Brexit. Only difference being that the U.K. pays direct into their pockets. No difference between remain and leave on this point. So what are we apparently gaining in that case?
Dramatic statements that when analysed have a basis of truth, but are exaggerated to make a point. You say that over half the money goes to rich landowners. Not quite. There are conditions attached, but it is true there are people just riding the gravy train. Some of these people are already lobbying for the U.K. to continue the payouts after Brexit, which means leaving the EU doesn’t necessarily end the gravy train.
Astute
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The UK does not pay direct into these accounts. They follow EU laws and rules.
The money comes from one of two pots funded by those countries like us that fund the EU. The pots total about 67% of the whole EU budget. And if they are registered as being British it is counted as a rebate against what we pay into the EU each year. Yet the tax man sees nothing of it.
But you already know this.
Astute
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Astute
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In the future.... they want to continue hand outs after Brexit... then they will be direct.., I said „ only difference „ meaning difference to getting payouts from the EU..
Astute
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That makes less sense than before
Astute
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chiefdave
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E.g. Dyson:
EU farming subsidies: One in five biggest recipients are billionaires and millionaires on the UK rich list
Sir James Dyson's farming business was the biggest private recipient of EU basic payments in the UK in 2016, receiving £1.6 million, Greenpeace says
Daily Mail:
Daily Mail editor received £88,000 in EU subsidies in 2014
Estates owned by Eurosceptic Paul Dacre have benefited from at least £460,000 of EU agriculture money since 2011
This racket is perhaps the strongest of all arguments for leaving the European Union, but the Brexiters’ silence resounds. Among the 13 Conservative MPs who signed an open letter last week undertaking not to cut subsidies for owning or leasing land if Britain leaves the union was Iain Duncan Smith. His wife’s family’s estate, on which he lives, receives £150,000 a year of your money, handed to them by the EU.
„The minister responsible for cutting income support for the poor, Iain Duncan Smith, lives on an estate owned by his wife's family. During the last 10 years it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers. How much more obvious do these double standards have to be before we begin to notice?“
And he has already joint signed a letter to the government insisting that these subsidies continue after Brexit. Britain was one country against reforming the COP. I wonder why?
And there are people on here who maintain that both sides have lied equally. Experts can make mistaken predictions on not yet known events, remain got some things wrong and some things can still happen, but the government had access to the rules and regulations of the EU and the EU had laid out the facts. To try and deny these known facts is called lying. It is amazing that despite the results listed in your post, people are still in denial and claim they have not been conned.
skybluetony176
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Well, that went well then. If this has set the precedent for trade negotiations with not just the EU but the rest of the world (and let’s face it, odds are it has) I wonder how many brexit voters will be big enough to admit that they got it wrong?
Gotcha! One less. Arrested in Budapest. Made a living spreading fear, slagging Merkel and other politicians and the press, slagging foreigners and praising the third Reich. Through Facebook and Internet and then selling frightened and angry people weapons and pepper spray etc.. Had over 2 million likes for his lies and lots of people received death threats because of the them. Some people on here think that these Facebook posts have little influence. Hope he gets a long sentence.
Grendel
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I can answer that. No.
What will happen is that they will blame the remainers for not being patriotic. They will malign them with insults such as „crank“, „stupid“, „slobbering“ and hope that the constant insults stop them saying „I told you so“.
Seems so on the face of it. There are legal means available to protest her arrest. At least she has crowd funding to support her. She is entitled to a fair extradition trial. Let’s see what happens next. It seems extremely heavy handed by the Spanish, but hopefully it will be cleared up quickly in a fair and just way.
I am not arguing against what you are saying. Just some of the dramatic posts are exaggerated. I believe you that the Mafia in Italy are a problem every time there is money to be had.
Astute
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Which is exactly what I have been saying. And you have tried to disagree.
So do you think it is a good way for the EU to waste tax payers money?
And strangely enough he wants out of the EU. He certainly doesn't need the EU money.