Astute
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Or the remainers that want to keep as much as the EU as they can.
Or the remainers that want to keep as much as the EU as they can.Yes, it is the same as the leavers who want to drop out of the Eurovision because they believe the EU loathes us and EU countries will never vote for our song. The EU Charter would be ok if we rubbed out EU and called it „The Great British Charter of Fundamental Rights“. Then they would say we have regained control and passed our sovereign law.
I want a UK charter. Something to take us forward after leaving.
No cherry picking.
And why won't we be much better off?We can be worse off without crashing and burning, and we could be same as before, but as long as we are not significantly better off after all this division and uncertainty, then the whole exercise has been a waste of time and has damaged and divided the country for years to come unnecessarily.
Or the remainers that want to keep as much as the EU as they can.
And we get a decent say?Something debated, researched and passed by 28 countries obviously. Far more ideas and input. If we want, we could always add to it. I don’t trust people who want to reject existing rights.
Point out where I have said that. If you want a debate with me can you try to keep to the truth?You are cherry picking. You are saying we absorb EU law into our law, but reject something covering the rights of people without power or wealth.
And why won't we be much better off?
You only look for negatives. You argue against anything positive. I can see plenty positive and negative. But because of the loudest on here being remainers it is all about the negatives.
Which laws annoy you and which you would drop immediately?
Point out where I have said that. If you want a debate with me can you try to keep to the truth?
Having someone who started off the biggest tax evasion being the one championing stopping tax evasion and getting away withwhat he has done totally.
Funny.You are one of the loudest on here. I haven’t looked for negatives. I just pointed out that, if, we are not significantly better off, then the whole thing is waste of time and has divided the country for years unnecessarily.
EU law has become our law. So how is that cherry picking?I posted a link which explains that we were absorbing EU laws. You said you were against absorbing the Charter. That is cherrypicking. That is the truth, but you don’t seem to understand what is happenening.
Who said I want to leave?That is not a law. It is hypocrisy. Juncker is a person not a law and his term comes to an end in about 2,5 years. There is no point in leaving just because you don’t like Juncker’s hypocrisy.
Funny.
You name.positives you have come out with and I will name many multiples of negatives you have come out with for each one......if you can name one that is.
Me one of the loudest? Most others have given up with trying to debate with you and others that don't want a debate but just want to put pro EU views and anti UK views forward.
Who said I want to leave?
But that is the problem. He has been allowed to get away with it. Is that the only thing someone has been allowed to get away with?
If a UK MP gets caught doing much less they are gone. But someone who has such a major say in the UK and EU can laugh at us. When his name got put forward we protested and gave the reasin why. Everyone else voted for him. It didn't come to light after the event. His name shouldn't even have gone forward.
So I don't have much faith in who will replace him. It is just jobs for the boys.
EU law has become our law. So how is that cherry picking?
EU law has become our law. So how is that cherry picking?
Name one time you have something good to say. You put a bad spin on anything good.I know no one putting out anti UK views
Actually, leavers are an embarrassment. Luckyily you are neutral and voted remain ;-)
You make me laugh sometimes.He is going soon.
2 countries voted against Juncker and over 200 MEPs.
But, he won. It’s democracy, get over it.
Who said I want to leave?
You did well to put my comment to this.
An EU charter is just that. We need our own version. Not something set up for nearly 30 countries of all types. And yes I don't trust politicians.
Oh yes. The house of Lords. An unelected bunch of people that use their given privilege to steer laws in the direction that they want. And many make money out of being in the EU through money given to landowners. So of course they will do what they can to stop us from leaving.Lords defeats government for the 15th time to back EU eco-standards after Brexit
Another attempt to cherry pick thwarted by the Lords. It seems the Tories are trying to lower environmental standards as well.
Oh yes. The house of Lords. An unelected bunch of people that use their given privilege to steer laws in the direction that they want.
Again, we’re not a different species. We all deserve the same basic rights.What would be best. Something set up for nearly 30 countries or something set up specifically for us?
You’re advocating cherry picking with every post.I want a UK charter. Something to take us forward after leaving.
No cherry picking.
Oh yes. The house of Lords. An unelected bunch of people that use their given privilege to steer laws in the direction that they want. And many make money out of being in the EU through money given to landowners. So of course they will do what they can to stop us from leaving.
And then you have thise who get a pension from the EU. The EU has said that they won't pay it after we leave. So how can the house of lords be unbiased?
EU WILL NOT pay for UK Lords pension pots: German MEP blasts peers' £10m Brussels pensions
Why don’t the EU’s pensioners in the Lords have to declare their interest? | Coffee House
Because our government is rejecting parts of it. With your blessing. You do know what cherry picking means don’t you?EU law has become our law. So how is that cherry picking?
Lords defeats government for the 15th time to back EU eco-standards after Brexit
Another attempt to cherry pick thwarted by the Lords. It seems the Tories are trying to lower environmental standards as well.
The way the EU is run makes me want to leave. But there are benefits of being in the EU that benefit me and will benefit me in the future depending on any deal that is made.You've said it yourself on this very thread.
So what do you know that nobody other than those who benefit financially from the EU directly know?So I’ve been arguing that there’s the possibility that government is looking to change your rights and you’ve been arguing that I’m just being down on brexit and now you confirm that they’ll change our rights. So you’re saying I was right all along. You’re line about not needing something set up for other countries is just nonsense. We’re not a different breed to people from other countries, we’re all human and all deserve the same basic human rights. The fact that government doesn’t want to adopt this standard should be ringing alarm bells.
EU law is our law.Because our government is rejecting parts of it. With your blessing. You do know what cherry picking means don’t you?
So what environmental standards that you know of are being lowered?If I ran a fracking business I’d love a lowering of environmental standards. Wouldn’t you?
So what do you know that nobody other than those who benefit financially from the EU directly know?
So what environmental standards that you know of are being lowered?
It isn't me contradicting myself.You tell me. You apparently agree with me. Well, at least in the post I was replying to you do. Although you have contradicted yourself with the whole no cherry picking/we need something bespoke argument you’ve been having. Mainly with yourself.
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