The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (134 Viewers)
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SkyblueBazza
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Yes...well I believe that if you desert Britain for something better elsewhere...you give up the rights you left behind & accept those that apply to where you perceived the grass was greener
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Astute
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If you say so. Most people know it isn't true. You just make bullshit up to deflect from Juncker.
SkyblueBazza
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You are as self interested as the Brexiteers you condemn imo...you raised the term 'scum' in relation to them - yet you are their equal but opposite
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Astute
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Yet you choose to ignore the remain lies. Just a one sided debate to you. In fact not a debate. Just a one sided argument with no decent points from you being put forward
SkyblueBazza
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Well she only has to ask me & I will tell her the same I have told you.
Thing is - what I voted for as an individual matters not because the majority thought differently. Her job is to get on & deliver what the majority want
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Astute
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You love Juncker so much that I thought you would pay tax into one of his schemes in Luxembourg.
Astute
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Just the same as AfD isn't a problem in Germany but Farage is a massive problem in the UK. He has lost touch with reality.
Westendlad
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Yep...He's lost the plot, even his lefty chums have abandoned him lol
dutchman
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To be perfectly fair, she hasn't got a clue about anything!
Ah right so a selfish point of view.....Now we're getting somewhere
I said I don’t want Britain to be worse off. Very selfish.
I am not leading people up the garden path and I pay my taxes. I don’t have a hedge fund or diamond mine. I am not a racist, not an extremist.
I don’t want to lose basic freedoms. You say that puts me in the same bracket as a Belize based multi millionaire tax dodger and habitual liar?
I would have thought that most sensible people don’t want to be worse off after Brexit. Apparently you are ok with losing rights and the country possibly taking a hit so that some people can carry out their own agenda. Weird...,
I am not a lefty. And who the fxxk are my lefty chums?
It is so. Just because you read something different in the Express or Mail doesn’t mean that it is correct.
I didn’t leave any rights behind. My rights are guaranteed throughout the EU. The EU is not allowed to take away rights that people already have.
If the UK leaves the EU, then my rights are no longer guaranteed. Hence me getting German citizenship.
The change was made by people voting leave. Not by me.
That HAS to be the quote of the thread
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Yes. Astute’s deflecting crap doesn’t alter anything. His favourite deflection tactic is to mention Juncker and Grendel“s is Tusk. Doesn’t matter what I say, I always get the same crap ...“what about Juncker?“ or „look at what Tusk did there“. Hilarious indeed.
I don’t. The people I refer to as scum are not the vast majority of people who voted leave, but the dodgy millionaires, far right fans, hedge fund owners whose funds invest in countries like Russia rather than the UK and tax dodgers more interested in their tax havens being left in tact than the welfare of the people they preached their Brexit dogma to.
That is a small, but very significant, section of leave voters.
What are you on about? I was talking about Brexit crooks. People try and talk about totally different „crooks“ as a distraction. I said we were talking about specific British crooks who led people in Britain up the garden path.
That is not an assertion that the only crooks in the world are British crooks. It is a reminder to cut out the whataboutery when talking about specific people e.g. the Belize based, Panama Papers Lord who has backed Brexit for his own purposes. Astute says he only dodged a bit of tax which is ok by him. He is, however, a serial tax dodger and only gave up his seat in the Lords because he would have to pay tax in Britain. Do you think that Lord Ashcroft is a good example of a Brexit voter? Would you criticise him, or rather talk about people who may be crooks, but have no direct dealings in Britain?
We are talking about Britain: EU in or out. Not Poland. At least not directly. The point I was making about British based liars and crooks has nothing to do with Polish workers. Grendel always brings his pet Tusk into the conversation when I criticise dodgy goings on in the leave camp.why? Why doesn’t he admit that there were dodgy goings on?
His action in confirming the 4 principles which we agreed to was the only thing he could do.
We had scope to remove EU migrants after 3 months if they didn’t have a job. So the myth that people were coming just to get eternal benefits was put out by our press and the rules were not enacted by our government. But, blame Juncker.
What benefits do I get from the UK? Does sticking with Britain mean giving up the democratic right to oppose something which you don’t agree with? Sticking with Britain means calling out the people who are taking us out of the EU. That is what I am doing.
I am not neutral. I am sure that a portion of the leave voters have been led up the garden path by the likes of Arron Banks, Farage and co..
I don’t for one moment think that Brexit is anything other than a stupid decision.
How can anyone be neutral if you are having a discussion about „EU in or out“? You would need to start a new thread „EU not bothered either way“ to get people saying they are neutral.
You don’t like democracy do you? Yes, sometimes bad people get elected. What do you suggest? Monarchy? Dictatorship? Anarchy? Religious head of government?
With democracy you can at least vote people out if things are not going well. Laws can be changed and the system can evolve.
I am interested in your alternative. Irreversibel referenda on every subject under the sun?
Do you think I am taking the piß out of you?
SkyblueBazza
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You seem to have some pretty entrenched extreme views in favour of the EU.
Nobody has lost anything, except you - the plot!!!...& again - you seem to have a pretty extreme view of what our Goernment is going to do regarding it's citizens post-Brexit. What I said was equal but opposite to them...& I maintain that
Again...nobody has lost anything except you - the plot!!! As for worse off...the average man in the street such as most of us on here will not notice any major changes to our lives. Maybe travelling abroad within the EU will be a bit different because it will become akin to travelling to Turkey when going through the border.
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SkyblueBazza
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So the EU is going to take away your rights Mart. Not the UK!!! The change to your citizenship is being requested by 1 peron - YOU. Why? Because you want your bread buttered both sides. You could have simply waited to see how things pan out as there seems to be this retaining an EU passport option...but you want to be German instead. Which is fine...the rest of us seem happy & proud to be British
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SkyblueBazza
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Just because people thought different to you - you have swallowed media crap about who voted for what & why. Through your EU tinted glsses, you outwardly refuse to accept that very very similarly disposed individuals exist throughout the German, French etc & EU corridors of power.
QUOTE="martcov, post: 1565274, member: 5800"]That is not an assertion that the only crooks in the world are British crooks. It is a reminder to cut out the whataboutery when talking about specific people e.g. the Belize based, Panama Papers Lord who has backed Brexit for his own purposes. Astute says he only dodged a bit of tax which is ok by him. He is, however, a serial tax dodger and only gave up his seat in the Lords because he would have to pay tax in Britain. Do you think that Lord Ashcroft is a good example of a Brexit voter? Would you criticise him, or rather talk about people who may be crooks, but have no direct dealings in Britain?[/QUOTE]
You really do beiieve these type of people only exist in Britain don't you?
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SkyblueBazza
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No - I think you are making yourself look very silly
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I have taken German citizenship because nothing has been decided yet and I am not waiting until we have left the EU to find out what happens. I have a right to German citizenship as an EU citizen. Next year I lose that right, so I had to take it while I still can.
The EU is not taking any rights from me. I will cease to be an EU citizen when the UK leaves. I then lose EU rights. The EU is not leaving the UK. The UK is taking my EU rights off me by leaving the EU.
SkyblueBazza
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I bet you have left your bunker & come back to Britain to use the NHS...& continue to do so. So there is one for a start.
Sticking with Britain does not mean slating everything Brexit & insulting those that want it
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You really do beiieve these type of people only exist in Britain don't you?
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Are you going to answer my question about Lord Ashcroft or are you going to deflect?
SkyblueBazza
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But it is you that wants to flex democracy to the point that it fits with your view of how the world should be...not me
I am in favour of democracy. We are in one & it will evolve as Brexit comes about.
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You are nuts. You bet that I use the NHS so that is now fact? I have private health insurance and I am healthy anyway. I haven’t been to a doctor in the UK ( apart from A and E for my daughter who is also insured ) for more than 30 years. Or maybe 40.. I can’t remember it’s so long ago.
Slating a potential calamity for Britain and the dodgy people involved at the top is sticking with Britain. A patriotic duty if you like.
Yes it will and hopefully we ( not me as I am not allowed to vote ) will get a chance to either agree or not agree with what the government finally comes up with as an agreement. If they cannot agree with the EU, then we should be asked if we still want to go ahead with Brexit, or bin it as a bad idea.
By then we will know what Brexit actually is.
By not sharing your point of view?