No, he always did sound a bit like me because he is a sensible poster.
27%? You are starting to sound like Mart.
And IIRC 1.7m more voted leave than remain.The point being over 16 million voted remain and others didn’t vote, so it is a Faragism to claim that Brexit is the „will of the people“.
Well it wasn't 27%No, he always did sound a bit like me because he is a sensible poster.
And IIRC 1.7m more voted leave than remain.
That would only be true if leavers weren't constantly going on about the will of the people.
You're drawing a conclusion about those who didn't vote to suit you preference when in reality you can have no idea what a higher turnout would have meant to the end result. You can't claim something is the will of the people when only 27% of the population voted for it!
Yes leave got 4% more of the vote than remain.Which is how much as a percentage? 52:48 is a narrow margin.
Yes leave got 4% more of the vote than remain.
Nearly 10% of the people that voted remain.Hardly the will of the people.
Hardly the will of the people.
The 27% considered it irrelevant and therefore chose their right to abstain
And you claim that the vote was the will of the people knowing that most either voted remain or abstained. What right have you got to the claim that Brexit is their will when they didn’t even vote for it? If it was the will of the people it would have been a landslide. It wasn’t, so don’t claim it was.
By your and Daves argument then and applying percentages what percent of the available voting public chose to stay in the Eu?
Ha ha ha - most votes remain or abstained ha ha ha ha you clown
Most voted remain or abstained. Can’t you do maths at JLR?
Nearly 10% of the people that voted remain.
What about the 90%? Are you claiming that a 52:48 plus many abstentions is the „will of the people“? The vote was won, but to use the old Nazi terminology is over the top. You won, get over it, but don’t exaggerate.
Most people voted to leave or abstained then
You really sound desperate
You’ve mentioned Nazis twice now Mart.
Yes, but you cannot call that the will of the people. The vote was split. Parliament is also split as is the cabinet. There is nothing on the table which represents anything like „the will of the people“. Using this Nazi terminology along with your hatred of multilateral organisations and posting racist remarks shows a certain underlying side to your persona.
48% of those who voted. 35% of registered voters, 31% of voting age population or 25% of total population.What % put the X in the remain box?
Wasn't 52% of voters it was 52% of those who voted. Its a subtle but important difference as only 37% of registered voters put an x in the leave box.
That equates to 34% of voting age population or 27% of total population.
Thats exactly the point, nobody can now how those that didn't vote would have voted or even why they didn't vote.Yes but that 34% of voting age population or 27% of total population still voted despite being told by the media that there was no point in them voting because the result was already a foregone conclusion.
How many more would also have voted Leave if they had known there was a good chance of winning?
I don’t post racist remarks and oddly when you see where the remark came regarding the Italians from you went and said no comment. It’s not actually racist to be fair to Junker either - more the superior arrogance of the Marie Antionette character he is.
The country was offered two things.
1. A vote for a political party that was offering a referendum to leave Europe. This party was a minority party in the previous government and was allied to a very pro European Parliament. It won a majority so therefore was obliged to carry out the will of the people who voted for the referendum
2 An opportunity to leave or remain in Europe - the rules were very very clear stay or leave. I had no doubt at all the majority would vote for leave. A very very large leave vote was in the working class areas of the north
I am genuinely confused by the multilateral comment. The EU is far from that. It’s a fat cat quango where the actual decision makers are NEVER voted in by the population they represent and the 700 in the parliament are elected on low turnouts in many countries (oddly absent voters in Eu elections seem not to bother you)
I like many other civil libertarians from both sides of the political spectrum view this establishment as anti democratic. If I was in favour of facist ideology I’d support it as it’s built on classic facist ideology if you take the Latin it’s derived from literally. Namely centralise power to a few and remove the ability of change and choice for the many.
You are a lunatic and incapable of coherent debate,
It was amusing to a point but now you are becoming a bore.
But this is your problen really I think. At some stage you became EU positive for some reason. You cannot read between lines...I did answer the question in my response...& have referred recently to the fact that many so called experts think a bad deal is better for the UK than any shit deal the EU would prefer.Yes, ok .. answer the question then..
I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about to be honestI am talking in reply to Astute’s question relating to present day problems.
Whether the EU or UK like it - there will be a transition period for both sidesNo I don’t. They just said if you don’t come up with something soon there might not be a transition period.
In other words you will out on your arse. Not quite begging the UK to stay.
Absolutely correct. However if by that you mean had the no voters got off their backsides to vote the result might have been different...then 1. It might have been more convincing too 2. They sat on their backsides because they couldn't really give a damn whether we are in or out - since whatever the outcome, the impact on the majority of us will be minimal 3. It means that the majority of those that actually give a damn do not want to be a part of the EU anymoreWasn't 52% of voters it was 52% of those who voted. Its a subtle but important difference as only 37% of registered voters put an x in the leave box.
That equates to 34% of voting age population or 27% of total population.
If Cameron hadn't been so sure he was going to win a bit more thought would have been put in to the mechanics of the vote.
The reult was as close to the will of the people as we could get. It is the fault of the political classes that have rendered people not caring enough to go voteNo it isn’t. You just say things without foundation. Brexit is not the will of the people. They won an advisory referendum and around 50 % of the actual voters did not vote for Brexit, which is a majority that didn’t vote for Brexit if you include all registered voters. It was a slim majority of actual voters. Ok. You can say it was a majority vote, but it is nowhere near an expression of the will of the people. The government has no right to ignore the will of the people who didn’t vote for Brexit. At best they should go for a compromise such as a BRINO deal.
The have no mandate to disenfranchise half of the electorate. Any deal has to be acceptable to the majority of the people. No one knows what the deal on the table will be. There has to be another vote on this calamity.
What you know that to be true of 52% of those who voted? You are simply falling for media reporting of selective surveys - themselves designed to mislead.One of the main reason which was cited as a reason to leave was FoM
As I have said before...4% pay increase would be gratefully received by most people. But you try telling them you're taking 4% off them & not to worry because it's only narrowly different to what they are already getting - just see what happensWhich is how much as a percentage? 52:48 is a narrow margin.
But you could argue that 52% of non-voters (or more!) Would have voted to leave anyway so your point is totally invalid. They had the chance to vote to leave or to remain & they chose that they could not care lessHardly the will of the people.
Exactly...they didnt care!!!That is irrelevant as we are not claiming that that the will of the people was against Brexit. We are saying it wasn’t for Brexit either. It was actually split virtually down the middle with a lot of abstentions.
Whether the EU or UK like it - there will be a transition period for both sides
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