Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Is there actually any appetite in the other 27 countries to take FoM of EU citizens? The British seem to be the only ones with an issue with it.
FOM is one of the greatest post war achievements in Europe. Most humans appreciate freedom to go where they want. It is not possible in the whole world, but in 28 countries it is. An amazing situation. Losing it and recreating borders creates supply problems, delays and costs. Apart from the bureaucracy for individuals filling out visas.
Down to the EU really isn’t it. I’m the same way as they use the people of the southern counties they will use the Irish as a political football in the hope of getting Britain to tow the line.
May is no thatcher. Thatcher despite being pro Europe would have carried out the whole mandate in a more forceful way. The Eu is in some turmoil with member states ignoring its rules. Austria will ignore the rules soon and insist on border regulations to cross through Italy - Hungary will follow. It’s vulnerable.
The Eu should be told no no deal means no divorce payment and all ties cut. It will then be forced to impose greater contributions on already sceptical member states. All it will take is one to fall out of line and the house of cards will collapse.
Down to the EU really isn’t it. I’m the same way as they use the people of the southern counties they will use the Irish as a political football in the hope of getting Britain to tow the line.
May is no thatcher. Thatcher despite being pro Europe would have carried out the whole mandate in a more forceful way. The Eu is in some turmoil with member states ignoring its rules. Austria will ignore the rules soon and insist on border regulations to cross through Italy - Hungary will follow. It’s vulnerable.
The Eu should be told no no deal means no divorce payment and all ties cut. It will then be forced to impose greater contributions on already sceptical member states. All it will take is one to fall out of line and the house of cards will collapse.
Is there actually any appetite in the other 27 countries to take FoM of EU citizens? The British seem to be the only ones with an issue with it.
Correct - at best merkel was an overblown town hall mayor - now she is a completely busted flush.
Thatcher would never have triggered Article 50 and would be baffled at the UK leaving the SM.
She would as she understood democracy and to ignore the will of the people at your peril
She wouldn't have let it get to the stage of even calling the referendum. She would think the country has gone insane. On a sidenote I still don't understand why those who are pro-EU are labeled as 'lefties', when some of its biggest fans have been to the right.
Same for people who are anti EU who are more from the left of politics.
She would as she understood democracy and to ignore the will of the people at your peril
Exactly!
Better tell Martcov he thinks brexiteers are mainly foam at the mouth right wing express readers
She would as she understood democracy and to ignore the will of the people at your peril
Are you seriously talking about the same person who famously introduced poll tax very much against the will of the people?
Mainly.
Better tell Martcov he thinks brexiteers are mainly foam at the mouth right wing express readers
Oh dear.
Are you saying that the people accepted the poll tax and it was the pinnacle of her political career rather than the end? Maybe your memory is a little different to mine but I remember this story flagship policy under her leadership being hated by everyone including her own cabinet who begged her in a cabinet meeting not to adopt it, she did anyway protests and riots ensued, people refused to pay it, a massive backtrack had to happen by which time it was too late and it ultimately ended with her resignation. Is this the same Thatcher who knew not to ignore the will of the people?
Why do quote absurdity like pinnacle of achievement and support.
Thatcher was bought down by a dead sheep and the subject of this thread
So you have forgotten that you said no child should be able to move from outside the EU. So why is it allowed inside the EU? If their parent comes here to work so do they. Or do you see them as lesser people?What are you on about? What economic migrants are those? Most come to work from the EU, or are pensioners from places like the U.K.. If a pensioner from Romania comes he has to have an income or he could be deported after 3 months. Same with the UK pensioners in Spain, they cannot claim a Spanish pension.
Merkel is going to push it all the way. And so will the EU.Is the plan to lock people up finalised? The SPD won’t wear that. Discussions are still ongoing in Germany and the period of 4 weeks was mentioned. There is still a long way to go.
Thatcher was brought down by Howe’s resignation over the poll tax and Hestletine taking this as an opportunity to challenge her for the leadership.
Merkel is going to push it all the way. And so will the EU.
So you have forgotten that you said no child should be able to move from outside the EU. So why is it allowed inside the EU? If their parent comes here to work so do they. Or do you see them as lesser people?
And you didn't see it coming?
What is the difference between an EU economic migrant and a non EU economic migrant? After all they are human beings who want the same thing.
So they want to go to Germany, France or the UK. Germany and France are easy if open borders are in use. So many will try. Just like many try daily to get to the UK when there is even more sea to get across.
Open borders are a great idea on paper. But in reality it is totally different.
As you were saying?Wrong as usual. You have 3 months to be self sufficient in EU countries as an EU citizen. If not you can be deported.
Not everyone can work as a fruit picker and what happens after the season? A 70 year old refugee from Aleppo would be no help under your idea. What would his children and grand children do? Crazy idea.
Is that the growth of something that you say isn't a problem in Germany?Well that would be on a par with other countries then. It is a difficult problem and with the growth of the right it becomes less humane.
Well that would be on a par with other countries then. It is a difficult problem and with the growth of the right it becomes less humane.
As you were saying?
Why did you like Tony’s rubbish about the reason Howe resigned out of interest?
Because you are as thick and ignorant as he is about British politics?
Is that the growth of something that you say isn't a problem in Germany?
Same as they do in their own country, take the kids with them, help them pick the fruit! :emoji_relaxed:You said that the refugees should pick fruit. Normally fruit pickers are seasonal and don’t bring their children, but refugees do. How would refugees work long hours without someone to look after their children?
Same as they do in their own country, take the kids with them, help them pick the fruit! :emoji_relaxed:
Why did you like Tony’s rubbish about the reason Howe resigned out of interest?
Because you are as thick and ignorant as he is about British politics?
More twisting of words I see.You said that the refugees should pick fruit. Normally fruit pickers are seasonal and don’t bring their children, but refugees do. How would refugees work long hours without someone to look after their children? How would older refugees do hard physical work? Crazy idea. Nothing like you claim I said. As usual.
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