Astute
Well-Known Member
We have to rely on other EU fleets catching fish in our water that we are not allowed to catch for our own needs.
But you know this.
We have to rely on other EU fleets catching fish in our water that we are not allowed to catch for our own needs.Mmm. OK. Who are we going to sell all these extra fish that all these extra fleets are going to catch to exactly?
Every new car I’ve ever bought has been either from a U.K. manufacturer or made in the U.K. it doesn’t take brexit to make this remainer loyal to U.K. jobs. I stopped buying HP sauce when they moved production to the EU. Funnily enough of all my vocal leave friends the most vocal buys a new Mercedes every three years and still has HP in his cupboard.
So anyway because jobs have already been lost don’t you think the government should do everything it can to protect the rest? Isn’t that what governments are supposed to do.
The article is clear that we are only allowed to catch 9% of the fish in our own water. The other 91% goes to the other EU fleets.Because as the article points out fishing rights are being used as a bargaining chip and that was only ever going to be the case. The article is pretty clear about that.
We fish for shellfish because we can't fish for anything else. Our quota from the EU is negligible to what we need. But instead of having what should be ours we o lying have a few miles which is still ours. This is where the shellfish are.
But you know this.
Yes of course there is. They want to cherry pick.The EU’s tastes are more varied than ours. They’ll just change their eating habits if they have to. Plus as already pointed out most of the fish we supply the EU is processed and a lot of the whole fish for processing comes from Norway. What makes you think that Norway won’t just sell more fish to the EU processing plants instead of the U.K.? You seem to think that the EU will lose availability to the fish coming out of the U.K. Not necessarily the case, there’s more than one way to skin a fish.
Of course the imports dwarf the exports. We are not allowed to catch our own fish. We can't even catch what we need.Except we have no plans to change the system post-Brexit.
“We do not intend to change the method for allocating existing quota.”
Fisheries white paper: sustainable fisheries for future generations
And one of the biggest problems for our own fishermen, that 61% of our quota is allocated to just 3 companies (one of which is Dutch owned contributing to 44% of our quote we give away to foreign fishermen). That's nothing to do with the EU.
And what we can catch seem to bare little resemblance to what we import. For example we export 116K tonnes of salmon at £4.69 per kg while importing 90K tonnes of salmon at £5.24 per kg. However if you look at popular fish such as cod, tuna and haddock the imports dwarf the exports.
So where did you get that from?The UK is only able to fish for shellfish? LOL
Of course the imports dwarf the exports. We are not allowed to catch our own fish. We can't even catch what we need.
So you show proposals. Just like Brexit so far is proposals. We seem to be offering rights to our water for a good trade deal.
So what chance is there of that?
No good trade deal then no rights to our water.
They won't get everything their own way. That is what the threat of no deal is all about. But many it seems would happily bend over and take it.
So where did you get that from?
They are not allowed to fish our coastline. Which part of that do you not understand or as usual are you trying to twist words?
We fish for shellfish because we can't fish for anything else. Our quota from the EU is negligible to what we need. But instead of having what should be ours we o lying have a few miles which is still ours. This is where the shellfish are.
But you know this.
And your point is?Yeah we are really going to catch loads of tuna and prawns in British waters after Brexit.
So why is that?
Reducing tax payable is not dodging tax. We have to keep to EU rules....Even though the EU itself doesn't keep to them.....to protect EU producers. This isn't tax avoidance like what Juncker designed and is heavily defended on here for.
But let's twist the truth to try and make a point that doesn't exist.
Strangely enough you missed out the part where I said how we still have the rights to catch what we want within a few miles of our coastline."We fish for shellfish because we can't fish for anything else."
Your words, not mine.
Yes of course there is. They want to cherry pick.
Try to deny it.
And your point is?
So are you saying that the EU catches the Tuna and Prawns we have? Or is it your normal deflection?
How about the truth for once?Do you think we’ve always fished shellfish or it’s been forced upon us by the EU? I’ll give you a clue. We’ve always fished for shellfish. It’s a completely different process. Cod fishermen didn’t all of a sudden become shellfishermen. Did you read up on the Cod wars? It seems to me you believe you’re quoting verse and chapter on something that you clearly know little about. I’m trying to help you out by telling you where to find the relevant information but you don’t seem to want to help yourself.
Of course the imports dwarf the exports. We are not allowed to catch our own fish. We can't even catch what we need.
So you show proposals. Just like Brexit so far is proposals. We seem to be offering rights to our water for a good trade deal.
So what chance is there of that?
No good trade deal then no rights to our water.
They won't get everything their own way. That is what the threat of no deal is all about. But many it seems would happily bend over and take it.
How about the truth for once?
This was in the same link I provided
With fish quota hard to come by, inshore fishermen here have increasingly turned to crab, lobster and whelk to make ends meet and 85% of the total shellfish haul is exported.
Yes they can't catch fish so had to change to shellfish.
Bollocks.Pollock! Juncker got in effect a 2% tax rate for Amazon in Luxemburg. Now he is in favour of Minimum or unified EU corporation tax. What the UK is hinting at is undercutting the EU corporation tax. Exactly what Juncker did and you haven’t stopped complaining about.
So why is the EU so desperate to keep their hands on what should be ours?I get my Pollock from Greenland over Iceland. So, Britain, or British waters, is by no means the only source of fish in the EU.
So do you agree with me?And where are exporting to? And by whose trade deals?
Yes you are. You say we import much more than we export. But you want to ignore the reason why.No, I'm continuing with what I said earlier about UK tastes requiring fish to be imported. I'm not deflecting anything.
No, I'm continuing with what I said earlier about UK tastes requiring fish to be imported. I'm not deflecting anything.
Yes you are. You say we import much more than we export. But you want to ignore the reason why.
Yes you are. You say we import much more than we export. But you want to ignore the reason why.
An EU biased view from someone living in France. Says it all to me.Try reading this link Ukip is wrong: British fishing answers to Westminster not Brussels | John Lichfield
It’s very revealing and educational. Education you severely need.
In what way?The Cod Wars. I’ve already told you.
An EU biased view from someone living in France. Says it all to me.
If you read what was put on here you would think that most in the UK want to stay in the EU. And that the EU is great.
Either you or one of the other two.Where do I say we import more than we export? Yet another lie.
Either you or one of the other two.
Just a normal day. Twist the truth when trying to say what I have said is wrong.
Would you like me to uncover your lies from today more clearly?
The evidence is out there.
Name.them.How have you come to that view? There are more Brexiteers on this thread than Remainers.
Name.them.
Especially by amount of posts. Just you, Mart and Tony must do more than half of the full total of posts. And most of them are twisting the truth.
Ah so trying to keep up with 3 if you twisting the truth at the same time is easy to keep up with?So I didn't actually say it and you made it up?
No change there then.
In what way?
Ah so trying to keep up with 3 if you twisting the truth at the same time is easy to keep up with?
Ok the EU doesn't need our fish. We get our tuna and Prawns from the EU. And we don't need our water back to become self sufficient.
Just carry on twisting the truth between yourselves. I will read and have a laugh later.
Bollocks.
Try the truth for once. Luxembourg would take a million or two instead of billions. We have to charge more tax because the EU says. We have to charge VAT on certain items because the EU says.
But you know this.
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