The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (238 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

I’ve not had chance to watch the full speech yet but having just read the coverage on the BBC website I feel I probably owe Astute, SB Bazza and a few others an apology.

It’s not fair to expect you to understand and explain the reasons beyond the empty rhetoric of why Brexit will be great. The PM doesn’t seem to be able to do it either. If the BBC’s coverage is anything to go by she’s well and truly in the “brexit will be great because it just will” camp. It’s not fair to expect joe average on a football forum to do better and for that I wholeheartedly apologise.

martcov · Oct 3, 2018

SkyblueBazza said:
Laughable - Mart himself could book a meeting room somewhere near the centre if Birmingham, invite a few people...including the media & say whatever he likes.

I doubt the tory party would invite Mart or Farage to present at any official gathering. But then in MartWorld as we know anything is possible!

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Leave means leave in Birmingham, or nearby, during the conference- Farage not invited by the Conservatives, but there to get in on the act. Gave a speech and press interviews.

From his Twitter:

„Join us in Birmingham on the weekend of Conservative Party Conference. It could get interesting!“

So what are you on about?

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

martcov said:
Leave means leave in Birmingham, or nearby, during the conference- Farage not invited by the Conservatives, but there to get in on the act. Gave a speech and press interviews.

From his Twitter:

„Join us in Birmingham on the weekend of Conservative Party Conference. It could get interesting!“

So what are you on about?

Didn’t Ferage and Davis share a stage at a brexit rally the other week?

SkyblueBazza · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t Ferage and Davis share a stage at a brexit rally the other week?

They did...but not at the Tory Party Conference

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I’ve not had chance to watch the full speech yet but having just read the coverage on the BBC website I feel I probably owe Astute, SB Bazza and a few others an apology.

It’s not fair to expect you to understand and explain the reasons beyond the empty rhetoric of why Brexit will be great. The PM doesn’t seem to be able to do it either. If the BBC’s coverage is anything to go by she’s well and truly in the “brexit will be great because it just will” camp. It’s not fair to expect joe average on a football forum to do better and for that I wholeheartedly apologise.

Well...it is alright for those above average supercilious jerk-offs like yourself. Some of us have real problems grasping simple concepts. Such as...the majority voted to leave...or...Just In Time...or I sympathise with party X's agenda, but I will vote for party Y who I cannot identify with whatsoever. I have REAL trouble with that kind of thing - unlike yourself.

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Sick Boy · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
Bollocks as usual.

You have lived in Germany most of your life. You don't have the reality of living in the UK. You say we don't have any unemployed. You say that record amounts of people coming to live here only brings good.

I say we need to catch up with housing.es for the homeless to live in. I say we need to catch up with the needed infrastructure. As usual you twist what I say.

Do you really think a future UK government is going to build housing for the poorest and homeless or that private sector landlords are going to let them stay in their properties for a cut price?

I wish they would do but it's wishful thinking, most people don't give a shit and assume everyone on the street is there through some kind of lifestyle choice.

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

martcov said:
Not true as usual. I said full employment is not nil as there will always be e.g. people between jobs, waiting to start a job or cannot be arsed to work, amongst other reasons.

Record amounts of people coming here allows our economy to prosper and without 3 million EU citizens there would be a collapse. That is not saying that migration "only brings good". You made that bit up ... as usual.

So are you saying that there are not people looking for work but can't get any?

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

martcov said:
Not true as usual. I never said you were wrong about it being a sham - apart from that there were 2 investigations, both strongly condemning the appointment, but neither saying that it was illegal and must be reversed. I have used the words, annoyed, scam and sham. The rules have to be changed to avoid this happening again ( both investigations said that and I agree with them ). Now back to the benefits of Brexit....

And yet again you come out with the line of it not being illegal. There are rules and regulations to be followed. None if it is covered by law. So it was impossible for a law to be broke. But every rule and regulation was broke.

These rules and regulations were broke by those who run the EU. Those who run the EU are the only ones who could do anything about it. But they didn't.

And my point has always been if they can do it so blatantly and still have nothing to worry about what else do they do? They have nobody to answer to. Yet you want the UK to be ruled by them.

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I’ve not had chance to watch the full speech yet but having just read the coverage on the BBC website I feel I probably owe Astute, SB Bazza and a few others an apology.

It’s not fair to expect you to understand and explain the reasons beyond the empty rhetoric of why Brexit will be great. The PM doesn’t seem to be able to do it either. If the BBC’s coverage is anything to go by she’s well and truly in the “brexit will be great because it just will” camp. It’s not fair to expect joe average on a football forum to do better and for that I wholeheartedly apologise.

1, Not be ruled by a crooked EU.

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t Ferage and Davis share a stage at a brexit rally the other week?

Are you saying that we hear from Farage as much as Mart says?

Grendel · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
That’s a no then isn’t it little grendull.

It means you were wrong and made a fool of yourself - as usual

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Grendel said:
It means you were wrong and made a fool of yourself - as usual

I admitted I was wrong. Because I’m big enough to do so. You were also wrong but won’t admit that you were. Only you have made a fool of yourself little grendull.

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
Are you saying that we hear from Farage as much as Mart says?

I’m saying Davis shared a stage with Ferage. You can twist that however you like. No skin of my nose.

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
1, Not be ruled by a crooked EU.

Just our crooked domestic political system still who are already setting the stage for the diminishment of animal and workers rights once we leave the “constraints” of the EU. Wasted your vote if you voted leave on that basis.

SIR ERNIE · Oct 3, 2018

Hey mart and mates hope you didn't miss Geoffrey Cox's brilliant speech today, you'd have loved it.

Sit back and enjoy:

https://youtu.be/Y__GkNPKqeQ

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

SIR ERNIE said:
Hey mart and mates hope you didn't miss Geoffrey Cox's brilliant speech today, you'd have loved it.

Sit back and enjoy:

https://youtu.be/Y__GkNPKqeQ

Doesn’t he use the same account as Jimmy Carr?

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Anyhow. Meanwhile, back in the real world Heart drug trials halted over Brexit fears

SIR ERNIE · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Doesn’t he use the same account as Jimmy Carr?

I knew you'd love it.

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

SIR ERNIE said:
I knew you'd love it.

He’s a good speaker and very charismatic. Pretty sure he was implicated in the same type of tax avoidance scheme as Jimmy Carr though.

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

Sick Boy said:
Do you really think a future UK government is going to build housing for the poorest and homeless or that private sector landlords are going to let them stay in their properties for a cut price?

I wish they would do but it's wishful thinking, most people don't give a shit and assume everyone on the street is there through some kind of lifestyle choice.

So where have I said differently?

Yet you try to make out that the millions of people that have come here to live have made no difference to the situation. And when I mention it you say I am blaming the people who have come here to live.

We either need a few cities the size of Coventry building very quickly or need to slow down the rate our population is going up by. Most of the people who come here are also at the age where they will have a family of their own. This will exasperate the situation in the future.

So do you trust the Tories or Labour to do anything about the housing shortage? And then you have the infrastructure problem.

Astute · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Just our crooked domestic political system still who are already setting the stage for the diminishment of animal and workers rights once we leave the “constraints” of the EU. Wasted your vote if you voted leave on that basis.

I didn't vote leave. And I have never voted for UKIP either like you have.

Sick Boy · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
So where have I said differently?

Yet you try to make out that the millions of people that have come here to live have made no difference to the situation. And when I mention it you say I am blaming the people who have come here to live.

We either need a few cities the size of Coventry building very quickly or need to slow down the rate our population is going up by. Most of the people who come here are also at the age where they will have a family of their own. This will exasperate the situation in the future.

So do you trust the Tories or Labour to do anything about the housing shortage? And then you have the infrastructure problem.

Migration has been going on for decades and is nothing new. There's also the issue with people living longer as well. I blame successive governments for not building affordable homes, personally.

Regardless of where theyve come from, whether it be the East or West, migration on the whole has been positive for the country and has assisted in areas such as the NHS.

Grendel · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I admitted I was wrong. Because I’m big enough to do so. You were also wrong but won’t admit that you were. Only you have made a fool of yourself little grendull.

No likes from your friend Mart Tony?

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
I didn't vote leave. And I have never voted for UKIP either like you have.

I never said you did. And I see you’ve lost the argument again.

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Grendel said:
No likes from your friend Mart Tony?

I’ll live little grendull. Unlike you I don’t measure my life by the number of likes I receive online. Probably why I don’t mind putting my hands up when I’ve got something wrong.

SkyblueBazza · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Anyhow. Meanwhile, back in the real world Heart drug trials halted over Brexit fears

Would be surprised if this was nothing more than SNP influenced scaremongering. A climical trial protocol is a protocol - end of. Once it is approved the trial is carried out according to the protocol...whether it be in ANY EU country or one outside of the EU. These days many include multi-national patient bases both within or outsife of the EU. Someone is trying to stir some shit - that's all imo

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SkyblueBazza · Oct 3, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
I’ll live little grendull. Unlike you I don’t measure my life by the number of likes I receive online. Probably why I don’t mind putting my hands up when I’ve got something wrong.

That is SO funny...given that the same 2-4 people - of which you are one - religiously apply 'likes' to each other's posts...sometimes I am convinced without really considering them!!!

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martcov · Oct 3, 2018

Grendel said:
No likes from your friend Mart Tony?

I was out celebrating reunification day. The end of communism in Germany. Pity some Tories and posters on here haven’t noticed that the USSR has gone. Some are stupid enough to compare communism with the EU. Noticeable that only leavers are that thick.

Grendel · Oct 3, 2018

martcov said:
I was out celebrating reunification day. The end of communism in Germany. Pity some Tories and posters on here haven’t noticed that the USSR has gone. Some are stupid enough to compare communism with the EU. Noticeable that only leavers are that thick.

Was he correct in his analysis of the ERM?

skybluetony176 · Oct 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Was he correct in his analysis of the ERM?

About as right as you.

martcov · Oct 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Was he correct in his analysis of the ERM?

I didn’t read it. 1992 was the best year of my life financially. I collapsed through overwork because we were breaking all sales records. I lost track of the UK as we were doing so well and I had a couple of months of relaxing and having a good time to recover. So I won’t get involved in this.

martcov · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
And yet again you come out with the line of it not being illegal. There are rules and regulations to be followed. None if it is covered by law. So it was impossible for a law to be broke. But every rule and regulation was broke.

These rules and regulations were broke by those who run the EU. Those who run the EU are the only ones who could do anything about it. But they didn't.

And my point has always been if they can do it so blatantly and still have nothing to worry about what else do they do? They have nobody to answer to. Yet you want the UK to be ruled by them.

There were two hard investigations, both slammed the appointment, but they couldn’t find sufficient reason to reverse the decision. But, you would rather leave the EU because of a dodgy appointment. Not interested in SM, CU, Europol, European Defence Force, Erasmus, EU Agencies, environmental or worker‘s rights... just a dodgy appointment and we’re off. Selmayr will be gone in 15 to 20 years, but we will suffer short term ( your words ) and maybe long term. What a cock eyed logic. And you ignore the fact that the UK has always had scandals and always will.

martcov · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
1, Not be ruled by a crooked EU.

Bullshit. Immigration Immigration Immigration

martcov · Oct 3, 2018

Astute said:
So are you saying that there are not people looking for work but can't get any?

No.

Grendel · Oct 3, 2018

martcov said:
I didn’t read it.

Case closed - you and Tony are the best arguments on here to leave. Keep it going.

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