Er no.You’re damn straight it isn’t the deal I want us to get. I want better. What’s on offer is a gazillion times worse than joining the single market. Joining the single market would be infinitely better for the U.K. It’s an insult but you’re clambering all over it through ignorance.
All made up bile again I see.All you’ve said is that the EU would love to do deals with the countries in it. I looked, they have. Australia is the only one that hasn’t reached an agreement with the EU and that’s in discussion, when I say discussion I don’t mean the Australian PM has made a comment in an interview with a newspaper to the effect that they’d like to do a deal. I mean actual discussions and negotiations. You’re answer crashed and burned because it was a flippant comment with no understanding behind it. Five minutes on google would have prevented you from making that claim.
So are we leaving the EU just to join the TPP?As opposed to leaving the single market to join another trading block that actually might be a hindrance to the U.K. economy than a benefit? How are you going to measure these millions exactly?
Ha ha. And as for residents from those countries have you ever been to London. You can’t move for Aussies and New Zealander’s. Vietnamese won’t need to come here, we’ll send the jobs to them.
Perhaps you can - like you explained why Britain left the ERM when interest rates were 7% or know details of Geoffrey Howes resignation speech or indeed have detailed knowledge of JFK
Then again wiki man - maybe you can’t
So are we leaving the EU just to join the TPP?
And thousands of jobs never left the UK to go to the EU?
You love half truths. Better than your normal no truths though.
And do you need reminding that the highest immigrant population is now from Romania?
TPP a major positive?
A positive is seeing that countries are inviting us to trade deal talks.
Shall we say about certain posters who have a go at anything that could be good for the UK?
Deals that are good for the EU but bad for the UK?
Er no.
I have said it is good that we are getting invited to have talks. I also said only an idiot could say if it is good or bad.
You have made the rest up and said it can only be bad. But the EU getting deals with the same countries is good.
All made up bile again I see.
So how good are these deals that the EU have then?
It is you that is pissed off that the offer has been made.I don’t need reminding of anything. I am still waiting for you to give a tangible reason for joining the TPP though. That I do need. Over to you.
So are you saying that talks are not on going and we wouldn't be allowed a say?We’re not being invited for talks. A few hours ago you assumed that we were in advance talk with the TPP until I pointed out to you it was a comment in a newspaper interview. We’re being invited to join an existing block. There is no conversation other than no thank you or yes please. There’s no negotiations on terms.
The EU has deals with the countries as individuals tailored to suit. Not a off the peg reject.
It isn't a trade deal that has a rule where you can't make other trade deals. It is the EU that has that with us.I made it up. Okay then, let’s hear your other reasons then.
The deals are tailored to suit. It doesn’t get any better than that and apparently that’s why we had to leave. So we could make our own trade deals, not leave one trading block for another. If we accept the invitation it will be through lazy politics and nothing more. It will also be contrary to the leave argument.
It is you that is pissed off that the offer has been made.
I have asked what offer is on the table. You know the offer is bad but know not a lot about the offer. As I have said a few times you seem pissed off that countries want deals with us. It doesn't go with what you have been saying for ages.
It isn't a trade deal that has a rule where you can't make other trade deals. It is the EU that has that with us.
So come on then. What are the deals on offer? I don't know. Neither do you. But you know they are bad.
So are you saying that talks are not on going and we wouldn't be allowed a say?
It isn't the EU you know.
Distraction? That is your tactic.What benefit will there be for the U.K. in joining the TPP?
I note you’re struggling to answer the question. Hence the distraction.
Come.on then. Spit out what you know.No. It’s worse.
Distraction? That is your tactic.
Looks like a free trade agreement. A free trade agreement with several countries. So what is bad about that?
It isn't all signed and started.
But it isn't the start that you wanted us to get. You was hoping it would take us years to get anywhere. And you are pissed off that countries want trade deals with us.
Come.on then. Spit out what you know.
And I see there is no comment from you about the latest dodgy dealings in the EU that paid off the commission when looking into the Selmayr fiasco.
Ignore everything bad about the EU and try to make everything look bad for the UK even when you hardly know anything. Then you expect to be taken seriously.
Come.on then. Spit out what you know.
And I see there is no comment from you about the latest dodgy dealings in the EU that paid off the commission when looking into the Selmayr fiasco.
Ignore everything bad about the EU and try to make everything look bad for the UK even when you hardly know anything. Then you expect to be taken seriously.
So you’re going to blindly keep your fingers crossed. You don’t know why it will be good but it just will. Also I don’t think it’s a complete FTA, it’s comprehensive but there will still be tariffs. No guarantee that it will be tariffs that protect us and grows trade. Or for that matter grow our trade over and above the trade we do under the terms that the EU has with TPP individual members. Yet alone the trade deals the EU has agreed with Japan and Canada and is working on with Australia. Then you have to factor in the lost trade with the EU from Brexit.
Why will it be better than what we’re walking away from?
It’s very simple. You’re assumption is that there’s nothing stopping companies outsourcing jobs from the US to Vietnam anyway. Tariffs do. If those products made from jobs outsourced to Vietnam from America then have to come back into the US as a member of the TPP Trump or whoever the president is for that matter can’t apply tariffs to them. If they leave the TPP they can and that’s what he done. That was his election campaign pledge. Leave the TPP to protect US jobs from being outsourced to the region. Obama thought it was more important to raise the America’s presence in the region to negate China’s presence in the area.
According to Abe, he hopes it will „minimize the damage caused by Brexit“. Doesn‘t sound like going upwards to me. Just trying to save what can be saved seeing as Japanese firms have invested in the UK.
Well done Tony. You’ve basically argued the case against the Eu, for protectionism and against any form of customs union or freedom of movement.
Fuck me.So you’re going to blindly keep your fingers crossed. You don’t know why it will be good but it just will. Also I don’t think it’s a complete FTA, it’s comprehensive but there will still be tariffs. No guarantee that it will be tariffs that protect us and grows trade. Or for that matter grow our trade over and above the trade we do under the terms that the EU has with TPP individual members. Yet alone the trade deals the EU has agreed with Japan and Canada and is working on with Australia. Then you have to factor in the lost trade with the EU from Brexit.
Why will it be better than what we’re walking away from?
And here you go again.Yeah, distraction my tactic. Says the man who’s just asked me to talk about something that’s already been done to death. No thanks. I won’t entertain your favourite distraction by giving it oxygen.
Read again.What did the „EU“, whatever you class as the „EU“, pay the Commission ( an integral part of the EU )?
If that is the case why is it such a victory if the EU makes a trade agreement with Australia and Japan?TPP collectively doesn’t even equal the trade that the U.K. does with Germany alone. Benefits of membership of the TPP are being wildly overplayed. That’s if the lame duck ever gets of the ground in the first place.
Why is it you throw all kinds of accusations at someone if they mention Trump in any way. But it is OK for you to talk about Trump being right for once when it helps with your next bit of UK bashing.So you wouldn’t welcome membership of the TPP then for the same principle that you don’t back membership of the EU?
Also I hate to piss on your chips but it’s Trumps argument not mine. I was just relaying what he’s said. Not sure what freedom of movement has to do with it either. Clearly you’ve just thrown that one in for fun.
Trumps argument not yours?So you wouldn’t welcome membership of the TPP then for the same principle that you don’t back membership of the EU?
Also I hate to piss on your chips but it’s Trumps argument not mine. I was just relaying what he’s said. Not sure what freedom of movement has to do with it either. Clearly you’ve just thrown that one in for fun.
Distraction? That is your tactic.
Looks like a free trade agreement. A free trade agreement with several countries. So what is bad about that?
I don't have an axe to grind. I
Distraction? That is your tactic.
Looks like a free trade agreement. A free trade agreement with several countries. So what is bad about that?
So are you saying that talks are not on going and we wouldn't be allowed a say?
It isn't the EU you know.
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