skyblueinBaku
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I asked about EU's concessions during the negotiations. Article 50 has been in existence for a long time, therefore it isn't a concession made during these negotiations.
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clint van damme
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Who said it was? You asked if it had been written for the purpose of the UK leaving. It wasn't, it was written to be part of the process should any country want to leave.
It's nothing to do with any concession
skyblueinBaku
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We are obviously posting at cross purposes. My original question was about what concessions the EU has made in these negotiations. Tony suggested that Article 50 is a concession, hence a few posts about about it. I would still like to know what concessions the EU has made in these negotiations.
skybluetony176
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Before the Lisbon Treaty there was no mechanism for leaving the EU. Article 50 is set of prerequisite concessions, terms and conditions so a country can leave the EU.
clint van damme
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I don't know that they have and I'm not sure why anyone thinks they will.
There was a theories like the one that German car manufacturers would be able to put pressure on their government to make a deal happen but right from the start the German manufacturing association (BDI I think) said maintaining the EU and the single market was priority.
skyblueinBaku
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I don't know whether they will or not. However, negotiations usually involve 'give and take' on both sides. If the EU doesn't make any concessions, it's hardly a negotiation, is it?
clint van damme
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If you were in a club with 28 members and 1 decided to leave how willing would you be to give into their demands?
This whole thing has been ill conceived from the start and like most things came about due to the internal machinations of the Tory party.
Grendel
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Thats odd Tony - you stated before that we had a referendum 40 years ago on the issue - was the Lisbon Treaty that long ago - my how time flies
skybluetony176
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WTF are you talking about now? Is it distraction o’clock already?
Grendel
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You said there was no mechanism to leave before the treaty Tony
skybluetony176
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Oh. I know where this is going. This is where you try to claim that Greenland was a full member not a crown dependency when it left the EU after it gained independence from Denmark.
My mistake. It’s not distraction o’clock it’s grendull talking bollocks again o’clock. Although it’s still a distraction.
Grendel
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No Tony it’s your statement this is a follow up referendum from one 40 years ago - a referendum based on what in the 70’s I’d we couldn’t leave?
Astute
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Having enough customs officers hardly even registers on what is needed.
It is the financial side that the EU will fail badly on. And it isn't just a matter of taking a few bankers on. At best a lot if money would be lost. At worse a financial catastrophe could happen. London is very important. And it is EU law that will stop the EU from using London banks.
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Astute
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Astute
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Just over half wanted to leave. Just under half wanted to stay.
Even most of those who wanted to remain can't believe what length the EU has gone to to try and get us to remain. Nothing to do with agreeing with the shitfest that is occurring.
Astute
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Not his fault. He doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word concessions.
Now it is more for remain according to poll trackers. But not by much, so 50:50 is not far off.
What lengths has the EU gone to? They have their club rules and we want them to change them. We have our red lines which do not comply with the existing rules of the EU. Whose fault is that?
Sick Boy
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It's negotiations in all but name and always has been and the UK will inevitably end up having to accept what's on offer or leave without a deal.
We were told by leavers in government and on here that we'd get special treatment as people in the UK buy German cars, drink Italian wine and eat French cheese and that the UK had the upperhand; unsurprisingly it's turned out to be complete crap.
Sick Boy
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It's madness some still think this way and that the EU is doing all it can to thwart Brexit.
You'd have thought some self-reflection may have taken place as to why he banged the government drum about cars and wine. Obviously those who mislead the public and who were utterly incompetent get little scrutiny and the blame is focused on the EU.
Some posters will just not see what is happening. They will go on about Selmayr and Juncker and hope that the EU will also suffer. Yes, of course it will, but not like the UK.
Latest OBR comment:
„The OBR described these calculations as plausible and in line with its own estimates, noting that the UK had slipped from having the highest growth rate in the G7 before the vote, to the lowest now.“
They compare a possible no deal scenario as comparable to the 3 day week in the 70s which led to a recession.
Astute
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EU rules?
Yes the EU rules mean that they must discuss and remedy the fact of us leaving. Not exactly happening is it.
And then the fact of the EU breaking rules and regulations when it suits flies over some people's heads.
Astute
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Shall we wait until any deal is reached?
I still think I am right about the hard ball tactics.
Just like there are no comments about the trouble stored up in the banking system. I wonder why. Nobody has come out with a reason nothing has been done about it. Is the reason they know there will be a deal? Or are they clueless? Or are they totally incompetent?
Astute
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So you think that the EU doesn't want a deal and are totally incompetent?
Astute
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So no suffering on a big scale?
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So what is your take on the matter?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
There are certain British MPs who would rather there wasn't a deal and are totally incompetent. This is the same government which hired Davis as Brexit Secretary who had no idea how the EU worked and assumed that the UK could do individual trade deals with each EU country.
What you said had nothing to do with my post and was a mere reflection away from your own wide of the mark predictions/'the truth'.
EU rules?
Yes the EU rules mean that they must discuss and remedy the fact of us leaving. Not exactly happening is it.
And then the fact of the EU breaking rules and regulations when it suits flies over some people's heads.
You take Selmayr as the poof that every rule in the EU can and will be broken. Madness. I posted how they got round the rules by breaking the spirit of the rules, but not actually breaking the rules.
That was not the 'EU', that was Juncker and Oettinger. The EU slammed the appointment.
The EU has discussed Brexit, but it is up to the UK to come up with an answer to their decision.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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You're in Prague.
Get off Sky Blues Talk and take your missus to a goddam strip club!
Here is a sane explanation of 3 possible solutions to the problem being discussed in Germany:
https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/pu.../IW-Kurzbericht_22_2017_Financial_Markets.pdf
Astute
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Nothing unusual there then.
So you are not going to reply on what could be seen as bad news for the EU. You are going to ignore the context of the post and link. But still say it is nothing to do with your post and wide off predictions although I explained my reasons to you.
Bit if it was anti UK or good news for the EU you would have been all over the link.
Astute
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So comment about the link I provided for you and explain why nothing has been done. Because when it.is the UK not prepared for something you l9ve it and constantly mention it.
Astute
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skybluetony176
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Straight after the referendum Boris wrote this.
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
Gove turned on him because of it but such is the goal post moving Gove now supports chequers and Boris says it doesn’t go far enough.
I don’t know. But they are obviously aware of them and I doubt whether they are ignoring them hoping they go away.
We are at least adapting the M26 ready to be a lorry park. Great. That’s democracy get over it.
The ex UK ambassador to the EU explains for you why the EU isn’t going to alter it‘s rules for the UK.
“Faced by a UK which essentially wants all the benefits of unchanged free trade from its EU membership days, with none / few of the obligations, the EU repeatedly says: “that is just never going to be on offer, and you must choose between a Canadian style relationship, which offers you much greater autonomy but much lower access to our market, and a Norwegian type deal which offers far better market access but much less autonomy,” he said.
“It was never going to say anything else. It was always going to put first the integrity of its current legal order and the need to demonstrate a very clear distinction between the benefits available to members, and the best that could ever be on offer to any third country. And it was never going to change its legal order for the benefit of a state that had chosen to leave it.”
Hope you understand now.