When they're multilateral ones not really no, there is no fundamental difference between the Treaty whether you're the UK or whether you're Slovakia the deal on offer is the same. "Deal" is the simplistic 'person buying a new car' thinking that has got us into this mess.So treaties are not deals?
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It isn't difficult to leave it's difficult to make a success of leaving without a proper viable plan and doing significant preparation first.So members of the EU are not tied to the EU?
So if we are not tied to the EU why is it so difficult to leave? And don't try blaming it on the clueless MP's, PM and all those involved.
If we were not tied to the EU why can't there be a trade deal without keeping ties?
It is amazing sometimes what some are willing to come out with to try and make someone look wrong or make themselves look right.
I did one paragraph to make sure the details were correct. Because I know what you and others are like. One sentence wrong so the whole post is incorrect.
Yes Turkey is in the customs union but not single market. They are trying to get into the single market and eventually as a member of the EU. Are you going to try and dispute this? Why do they want to be more than just in the customs union?
So the deal is the same whoever you are but it isn't a deal?When they're multilateral ones not really no, there is no fundamental difference between the Treaty whether you're the UK or whether you're Slovakia the deal on offer is the same. "Deal" is the simplistic 'person buying a new car' thinking that has got us into this mess.
Do you have the link for it? cheersI follow a former leaver on Twitter who wrote a blog on this, called it 'simplism'. The leave campaign especially distill every Brexit issue into a simplistic decision related back to leave or not.
IMO, it would take a decade coupled with a lot of preparation to leave and make a success of it, and even it would be an unhill battle. There's still so many who have not accepted that British is not a world superpower.It isn't difficult to leave it's difficult to make a success of leaving without a proper viable plan and doing significant preparation first.
So you agree with me Mart
I haven't said differently.It isn't difficult to leave it's difficult to make a success of leaving without a proper viable plan and doing significant preparation first.
IMO, it would take a decade coupled with a lot of preparation to leave and make a success of it, and even it would be an unhill battle. There's still so many who have not accepted that British is not a world superpower.
And again did I say differently?There’s very very little chance of Turkey joining the EU, especially with Erdogan in charge.
Do you have the link for it? cheers
Which means that we need to stay in the single market. Yet you and others make out that if we have a free trade agreement we won't keep FOM.IMO, it would take a decade coupled with a lot of preparation to leave and make a success of it, and even it would be an unhill battle. There's still so many who have not accepted that British is not a world superpower.
The customs union isn't the single market but the single market has features of the customs union.I haven't said differently.
But some seem to think all we need is a customs union. A customs union isn't a free trade agreement. It is to do with being in the single market. And the single market means keeping to FOM.
To make an immediate success would mean keeping in the single market. This would mean keeping FOM. Yet there are some that don't seem to understand or refuse to admit.
And I can't see the EU wanting to make an exception for us.
I didn't twist your words. I quoted your exact words.Only if you twist your own words to fit my answer.
So we agree.The customs union isn't the single market but the single market has features of the customs union.
And again did I say differently?
So do you agree that Turkey wants and needs more than being in the customs union?
Which means that we need to stay in the single market. Yet you and others make out that if we have a free trade agreement we won't keep FOM.
And yet again where did I say differently?Turkey doesn't seem to have any serious appetite to join the EU at present and its human rights record is shocking and will prevent it from joining. I can't see all 27/28 countries agreeing to Turkey joining either.
No. You stated we wouldn't need to keep FOM to be able to trade freely with the EU.I think you’re confusing me with the government.
No. You stated we wouldn't need to keep FOM to be able to trade freely with the EU.
I will admit I am wrong if someone can explain to me how I am wrong. But this doesn't mean saying the EU would make an exception for us because there has been no sign of it.
Which means that we need to stay in the single market. Yet you and others make out that if we have a free trade agreement we won't keep FOM.
No. You stated we wouldn't need to keep FOM to be able to trade freely with the EU.
I will admit I am wrong if someone can explain to me how I am wrong. But this doesn't mean saying the EU would make an exception for us because there has been no sign of it.
Does Canada and the EU have FoM as part of its free trade deal? The EU makes free trade deals without FoM.
How many years did that deal take?Does Canada and the EU have FoM as part of its free trade deal? The EU makes free trade deals without FoM.
Name them and what the agreement is. Name what is limited.Lots of countries have a free trade agreement with the EU but not FOM. What do you think Liam “it will be the easiest deal in history” Fox has been trying to get rolled forward for 3 years and failing? Then you have crown dependencies such as the Isle of Man, they have free trade access to the EU but no free movement of people. There was even a case where an Isle of Man resident landed a job in Brussels with the EU and then couldn’t take the job because he was entitled to FOM. Some French crown dependencies even have the Euro as their official currency, enjoy free trade with the EU but are not entitled to FOM.
So you have a list of trade agreements but not what they are. The devil is in the detail. But of course you won't mention the detail if you find out what it is.
How many years did that deal take?
It doesn't cover all goods.
And like I said where is it said that the EU would be happy to offer us the same? Part of what isn't allowed is services. It is big for the UK in the EU. Or how about many fresh foodstuffs. And that wasn't because the Canadian fresh foodstuff isn't up to standard either.
So like I said we can spend years making the deal to be able to trade with the EU. Which is what you have said with Canada.
Are you saying this is our way forward?.
You're better off taking this arguement up with leavers, I think leaving the EU would insane for the UK.
How many years did that deal take?
It doesn't cover all goods.
And like I said where is it said that the EU would be happy to offer us the same? Part of what isn't allowed is services. It is big for the UK in the EU. Or how about many fresh foodstuffs. And that wasn't because the Canadian fresh foodstuff isn't up to standard either.
So like I said we can spend years making the deal to be able to trade with the EU. Which is what you have said with Canada.
I'm taking it up with those who are always desperate to prove me wrong. Like here where it is now easy to get a free trade agreement with the EU supposedly. But for ages they have been saying the total opposite.You're better off taking this arguement up with leavers, I think leaving the EU would insane for the UK.
I take up each lie and false information as it arises. Especially when someone comes out with it to try and show me to be wrong and it is the opposite of what they have said for ages.Of course he isn't, but plenty of this forum have done previously, so take it up with them.
I'm taking it up with those who are always desperate to prove me wrong. Like here where it is now easy to get a free trade agreement with the EU supposedly. But for ages they have been saying the total opposite.
I take up each lie and false information as it arises. Especially when someone comes out with it to try and show me to be wrong and it is the opposite of what they have said for ages.
Utter nonsense, the only person who has just claimed the EU would offer the UK a deal is Grendel.
Why would you worry about parliament keeping the UK in the SM if you are all for remain and moving to France?
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